Comments on: Study proposal: The Effects of Mud Wrestling on the Female Urogenital Tract

Question: Study proposal: The Effects of Mud Wrestling on the Female Urogenital Tract

limeonaire — Thu, 24 May 2007 14:02:10 -0800

How do women who mud wrestle or take regular mud baths (esp. naked, say at a spa) avoid getting mud in their, er, orifices—or do they avoid it?

Would tampons be useful in preventing such an occurrence? Or is that even necessary?

And if mud is allowed into the vagina or anus, does that lead to an increased incidence of infection (whether by yeast or bacteria)? How would one go about (or, ladies, how have you gone about) preventing such resultant infections? And do spas have problems with the transmission of such infections in their mud baths?

I've found an abstract from a study in the Journal of the American Medical Association that found a greater incidence of pustular follicular dermatitis outbreaks among mud-wrestling college students (no joke) at the University of Washington in Seattle—but that doesn't speak to the question of vaginal, anal or urethral irritation stemming from prolonged mud exposure.

(And yes, this is a serious question, I promise—the topic came up during a conversation I was party to a while back about, well, vaginal irritation/infections. Fun stuff, huh?)

By: Ambrosia Voyeur

Ambrosia Voyeur — Thu, 24 May 2007 14:21:44 -0800

Vulvas and buttocks help.

By: rtha

rtha — Thu, 24 May 2007 14:27:01 -0800

Don't know about wrestling, but the one time I took a mud bath (at a spa), it was not a problem. Those areas of the body are not like ears - unless your anatomy is very unusual, they are not wide open and unprotected by flaps or sphincters

By: limeonaire

limeonaire — Thu, 24 May 2007 14:27:56 -0800

[[nods]] I thought of that. But they couldn't keep everything out...I wouldn't figure. I know they don't in, for instance, the swimming pool or bath.

By: houseofdanie

houseofdanie — Thu, 24 May 2007 14:29:46 -0800

Yeah, it's just a lovely or scary male fantasy or nightmare that vaginas are just wide open and available to all entrants. You pretty much have to push to get anything in there, under normal physical circumstances.

By: kmennie

kmennie — Thu, 24 May 2007 14:30:24 -0800

I, uh...

You could ask the same question about the water at the beach.

You wouldn't, though, because it would be silly. It doesn't just float in there, and...

No, a tampon wouldn't seal anything off.

On preview:

"I know they don't in, for instance, the swimming pool or bath."

???

Are you thinking vaginas fill up with water in the tub? I am thoroughly confused.

(And sort of depressed about general knowledge of female anatomy, having just tried to find something useful via a Google image search, and having hit on a lot of results for Britney Spears' "vagina.")

By: houseofdanie

houseofdanie — Thu, 24 May 2007 14:34:05 -0800

Wait, what? I've been in many a swimming pool and I take a bath daily instead of a shower. I have a vagina. Water doesn't get in there unless I, uh, put it in there. And once I put something there, it doesn't float freely on up to my cervix, continuing onward til my future children could be born spitting it out.

The vagina's quite muscular (RRR!), and in the event something enters the lower part of it, I have to think muscles and secretions will normally prevent further travel, and would probably, in fact, eventually send it back out.

Wow, I'm talking about my vagina on the 'net again. Hi, Mom!

By: houseofdanie

houseofdanie — Thu, 24 May 2007 14:38:01 -0800

Oh, and the vagina and the urethra are TWO SEPARATE holes. Just pointing it out 'cause I've heard of people, grown-up adult people, who had no idea.

By: limeonaire

limeonaire — Thu, 24 May 2007 14:38:17 -0800

For the record, I am female, and do have, you know, knowledge of my own anatomy. It's been my experience that in the tub or swimming pool, some (perhaps not tons of it, but some) water can work its way into the lower part of the vagina or anus—and thus I'm wondering what happens when mud is substituted in that equation.

By: Ambrosia Voyeur

Ambrosia Voyeur — Thu, 24 May 2007 14:42:22 -0800

Well, I think it has a lot to do with what's in the mud. Sterile clay would probably not hurt a thing.

By: kmennie

kmennie — Thu, 24 May 2007 14:49:50 -0800

I am female, and do have, you know, knowledge of my own anatomy

But not of tampons? Curious.

By: limeonaire

limeonaire — Thu, 24 May 2007 14:51:54 -0800

But not of tampons? Curious.

[[shrugs]] It was just a thought. I guess mud sex would be the only instance where mud might get forced that far in—in which case tampons wouldn't be of much use.

By: wyzewoman

wyzewoman — Thu, 24 May 2007 15:09:15 -0800

Or if you went down a high waterslide and landed in mud.... that could force it in...

By: CKmtl

CKmtl — Thu, 24 May 2007 15:13:57 -0800

I don't have a vagina, nor have I experimentally immersed one in mud. But...

Mud is generally a lot more viscous, heavier, denser, etc, than water. So if only a tiny bit of water could seep in while swimming (actively moving around while immersed in water), I'd imagine it's a lot less likely that mud would seep in while just laying in mud. I guess mud might get between the labia... but that would get rinsed/washed away in the shower after the mud bath.

By: yohko

yohko — Thu, 24 May 2007 15:36:16 -0800

I have done one mud "bath". It was about 3 to 6 inches of mud that you could sit in if you wanted to, but the idea seemed to be that you would spread it on yourself and sit on one of the provided lawn chairs. There was a shower for cleaning off before leaving the area. Swimsuits were required, but I don't think mud entering any orifices would have been a problem even without the swimsuit, and would have been taken care of fine in the showering process.

By: nursegracer

nursegracer — Thu, 24 May 2007 16:04:19 -0800

I think another issue here is the perception of the vagina as a "hole". It is not a cavern in which things become lodged unintentionally. It is a potential space. So, unless that mud gets hard and pointy, it will have a hard time forcing itself in there.

By: mhuckaba

mhuckaba — Thu, 24 May 2007 16:05:30 -0800

some (perhaps not tons of it, but some) water can work its way into the lower part of the vagina or anus

Lower part of the anus? Really? How the hell did that happen, pray tell?

By: fermezporte

fermezporte — Thu, 24 May 2007 16:36:24 -0800

I think it could cause yeast infections - bathing suits wet with regular old water increase a woman's risk, and I could imagine whatever sort of bottoms one wears while mud wrestling could be filled with mud (like what happens at the beach with sand when you're a kid) Also, the mud may introduce microbes that will compete with/alter your normal flora, which could lead to infections. It's probably not a big deal if you shower/change into dry clothes afterwards.

By: ambrosia

ambrosia — Thu, 24 May 2007 17:10:25 -0800

I love me a good mudbath. I've never gotten mud anywhere that a good shower couldn't remove.

I guess mud sex would be the only instance where mud might get forced that far in

Mud sex, at least in the mudbaths I've been in, would be, um, difficult. The mud really glops onto to you and weighs you down, making anything more than wiggling your toes hard to do without assistance. Maybe the mud they use for mud wrestling would be a more cooperative consistency, but that's outside my personal experience. Besides, the nice ladies who help you in and out of the mudbath probably wouldn't approve.

By: Carnage Asada

Carnage Asada — Thu, 24 May 2007 18:02:28 -0800

Maybe a stripper or someone with a similar profession could help answer this question - I seem to remember some who deliberately use props such as whipped cream, chocolate syrup and the like (I think there was an HBO "Real Sex" episode where one girl made her girl parts into a sundae with candy) to entice patrons to that part of their anatomy. Same with not so appetizing but other visually stimulating liquids...

By: iguanapolitico

iguanapolitico — Thu, 24 May 2007 18:27:36 -0800

Come on, people, more of you have experimented sexually than are letting on. Stuff that's put up there works its way out. I mean, take a turkey baster and jam yourself with mud and it's going to be messy for some time, but rolling around in the mud isn't going to cause any lasting issues.

By: peacay

peacay — Thu, 24 May 2007 23:46:35 -0800

It seems to me there are 3 possibilities here...irritation, excoriation or infection.

Constituent properties in said mud may cause vulval irritation (ie. skin) if you have an allergy perhaps and are immersed in it for a long time; otherwise the mud may act as a drying agent to the body's natural oils, again most likely dependent on the time/frequency of immersion. So maybe dermatitis or dryness and itching -- normal showering and subsequent avoidance of mud should limit any problems.

Excoriation of vulval skin might possibly happen if the mud is particuarly gritty, ie. the particles are large enough that they could potentially lightly lacerate the skin --- seems highly improbable unless you are continually moving about but even then, you would need to be kind of scraping your nether regions over the base of the tank or something. If you do calisthenics in mud watch out for grit rash.

I'm not knowledgeable about mud culture (ha!) but it partly depends on how 'clean' was the mud to start with and what temperature is it kept at?? If we are talking swamp mud held at 37 degrees celcius then yes, immersion for any significant amount of time might (possibly) predispose someone to getting a urinary tract infection.....big maybe though.

Normal hygeine being maintained and mud immersion not occurring more than, you know, now and then, I can't believe at all that any vaginal problems could be precipitated whatsoever unless, as said above, mud was somehow forced into the potential space.

On that last note, and to follow on from what some have intimated above, if I was a girl and I liked to water ski without wearing wetsuit pants, I sure as hell would wear a pad and not rely on porous swimming costume material to prevent water being forced into places where it was never wanted.

By: bruce

bruce — Fri, 25 May 2007 01:43:41 -0800

the word "tampon" itself comes from the mud ritual of a she-bear preparing to hibernate. she instinctively scoops up a pawful of mud and stuffs it into her orifice. in the next couple of days it hardens into a dried plug "tampion" which prevents ant colonies from setting up shop in there during the long winter.

By: klangklangston

klangklangston — Fri, 25 May 2007 06:49:24 -0800

"For the record, I am female, and do have, you know, knowledge of my own anatomy. It's been my experience that in the tub or swimming pool, some (perhaps not tons of it, but some) water can work its way into the lower part of the vagina or anus—and thus I'm wondering what happens when mud is substituted in that equation."

I suppose those who are still gaped from hardcore double-penetrative sex, or still engaged with speculum, should avoid mud baths and wrestling, yes.

By: klangklangston

klangklangston — Fri, 25 May 2007 06:54:15 -0800

Note to Bruce— No, that's total bullshit. Check the OED: Tampon comes Frankish "tapon," which is a "piece of rag to stop a hole," which is related to earlier forms tœpa and zapfo, both meaning stopper.

By: iguanapolitico

iguanapolitico — Fri, 25 May 2007 09:55:39 -0800

I think both words (tampon, tampion) might come from "tapon."

Any foreign substance getting into any opening (including wounds) offers the potential for infection. IANAMWNMBF (I am not a mud wrestler nor mud bath frequenter), but I'd hope that some semblance of clean mud were used (especially in spas; we've all seen the pedicure 20/20 horror stories). But we women are pretty self-cleaning, you know; douching is a luxury, not a necessity. We clean ourselves up naturally every month. (At least, I do.)

And the concern of a little bit of ocean, lake, or bath water entering a female orifice flies so nowhere near my radar that I can't believe anybody is worried about that. But that's not what the OP asked, so, never mind.

By: nekton

nekton — Fri, 25 May 2007 18:57:24 -0800

Ok Ok...I work on mudflats and occasionally this work requires me to sit on/in in the mud, in my bathing suit, for extended periods of time. This isn't special sterile mud, but rather filled with all sorts of particulate organic matter.

I have never had any problems with a) mud getting where it shouldn't b) any sort of infections.