Comments on: How long do you have to deliver a service?

Question: How long do you have to deliver a service?

JWright — Thu, 25 Jan 2007 12:21:24 -0800

I purchased a service to deliver traffic to one of my web sites. I know it reeks of scam, but I was curious. That's beside the point. The terms of service don't state anything about the timeframe in which that traffic will be delivered. It's come in dribs and drabs (then entire purchase would take years, literally, to be delivered). And their stats do not match mine. Every single day shows them delivering more traffic than my whole site gets. That said, I have two questions. 1) What is the legal basis for timely delivery of such a service, given that timeliness is not discussed in their terms at all. There ought to be a reasonable assumption of how long they have to perform their service, right? 2) Since legal action is not a reasonable option (it would cost more to get a refund than the refund is worth), what are some ideas for completely legal ways I could put a spotlight on this company's potentially fraudulent but certainly terrible service?

By: odinsdream

odinsdream — Thu, 25 Jan 2007 12:46:17 -0800

You'll need to link to their terms of service for any reasonable answers. Firstly, it's not at all clear what you even bought. However, it's not illegal to sell useless services.

By: unSane

unSane — Thu, 25 Jan 2007 12:58:23 -0800

I know exactly what he bought.

By: brina

brina — Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:11:48 -0800

Call the media's attention to them. Don't frame it as a complaint -- contact a tech or business journalist, pitch the story including your own experience and mention some other services that seem to do the same thing. You'll probably strike out, but you can always give it a shot.

By: Steven C. Den Beste

Steven C. Den Beste — Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:33:55 -0800

If yours is a commercial/professional site, and if what you're trying to do is gain revenge, I would advise against it.

I think it's more likely to rebound against you by making you look like a gullible fool.

By: troybob

troybob — Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:35:03 -0800

How do they measure the stats? If someone is routed to the site, but then there is an error and the site doesn't load, do they count that? Do they give a breakdown by how many visits per hour? Are the visits they claim all clumped around certain time periods?

As a test, I would be tempted to set up a site that is up for only one hour a day and then see what stats they are giving you for it.

By: malevolent

malevolent — Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:58:49 -0800

I doubt it's worth bothering to draw attention to the company. It reeked of scam but you paid up anyway; what makes you think other potential customers for those kinds of services will do sensible research?
(I don't mean that to sound insulting, it just seems to me that people don't sign up for "GET MONEY/TRAFFIC/EMAIL ADDRESSES/SEO FAST!" stuff based on rational, informed decision-making)

By: flabdablet

flabdablet — Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:00:28 -0800

Scamsters like this live and die by the amount of traffic they manage to drive toward themselves. Since almost anything you do in retaliation against their shonky business practices is just going to raise their profile, I'd just chalk it up to education and leave it alone.

You don't want your pig in a poke to turn into a tar baby :-)

By: JWright

JWright — Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:52:48 -0800

Heh. I'd be writing the same replies. No, I knew it was 99% sure to be a scam, but I wanted to see.

And I didn't link to them specifically because I don't want to cause them any negative press - at least not until it's calculated.

My goal is to see if I can be annoying enough that it's cheaper for them just to give my money back than it is to deal with me. It's about the only recourse you have with organizations like this. And, at this point, I'm doing it because I can, not because I expect to get the money back.

But, since their terms do not reference a timeframe for delivery, I'd like to press that point. How long does the law allow for a reasonable time of delivery for such a thing, when it's not specified up front. Certainly waiting years for delivery is not a reasonable assumption. Any thoughts?

By: IndigoRain

IndigoRain — Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:49:54 -0800

Write to The Consumerist.

By: Mutant

Mutant — Thu, 25 Jan 2007 22:18:00 -0800

"My goal is to see if I can be annoying enough that it's cheaper for them just to give my money back than it is to deal with me."

Wow best of luck guy but I've seen situations like this turn against people pretty quickly; what are you going to do if they - and perhaps the law - perceive the various annoyances you engineer as harassment?

I wouldn't even let them know you're upset; just walk away.

On the other hand, you can certainly comment on their service, should you be given the opportunity via web forums and the like.

By: JPowers

JPowers — Fri, 26 Jan 2007 00:20:08 -0800

Digg might eat this up -- try writing up this story and submitting it there. Digg is full of stories like this with the blogosphere spotlighting and destroying dishonest or scammy companies.

Or, appeal to an A-list blogger to take up your cause. Point is to prove to the blogger that your story is entertaining and of value to his/her audience.

If you're really motivated, take out a Google ad and use the company's name as the keyword. You can do this pretty cheaply.

By: JPowers

JPowers — Fri, 26 Jan 2007 00:21:47 -0800

Also, writing to the Consumerist, as suggested above, is a very good idea. In fact, that's probably the best idea here. This kind of thing is their bread and butter.