Comments on: Help me not skid off the road

Question: Help me not skid off the road

icetaco — Thu, 18 Jan 2007 20:24:52 -0800

Moving from Seattle back to San Francisco this weekend - weather looks interesting to drive in! Any advice for a California (non-winter) driver during these icy times?

I've rented a 16' Penske truck and "car carrier" trailer for the move, planned for this Monday, Jan. 22.

I'll be buying tire chains for both vehicles as well, considering the Northwest weather lately (see http://youtube.com/watch?v=SPE8vL5hlFA and you'll get a feel for my nervousness) -- I know I should wait until winter passes to make this trek, but unfortunately I cannot.

Anyone have advice on towing a car in a moving truck (never done it), putting chains on in the snow (never), reliable weather condition advisory resources for a specific route (Hwy 5, I'll have ye olde Crackberry with me to check websites at rest stops), etc...?

Slow and steady is how I'll be taking this one, and the weather is supposed to warm up a bit after the weekend (according to the weather sites' predictions), so I'm not too completely freaked out -- just feeling a bit under-educated for this type of trek.

Thanks all, much appreciated.

By: bruce

bruce — Thu, 18 Jan 2007 20:28:51 -0800

here in langlois, oregon (between bandon and port orford) the unusual snow we had last week is all gone, you won't need chains on 101. you should be ok on the coast.

By: icetaco

icetaco — Thu, 18 Jan 2007 20:32:49 -0800

Thanks Bruce -- Ah, I should have stated my route: 5 all the way down (inland), unless there's advice against it?

By: b1tr0t

b1tr0t — Thu, 18 Jan 2007 20:54:52 -0800

The main thing to watch out for with a trailer is that you can not slow down suddenly. If you hit the brakes on the truck, your car will swing hard around to the left or the right. Then the cars behind you will smash into it and you will have a huge mess on your hands.

Keep your speed down, but more importantly, slow down slowly. When you go down steep hills (close to the oregon border, close to LA), downshift into a lower gear if you can. Doing so is hard on the transmission, but truck brakes generally suck and its just a rental.

The person in your video is obviously Bam Margera, doing everything he can to wreck his car and everyone else's. Slow, smooth motions are key on snow and ice. The only time you should do anything jerky is when you pump your brakes, but even here smoothness helps.

One rule of thumb that sort of works for snow & ice driving is that snow and ice adds about 100 MPH to your vehicle speed. When your car seems to be going 30 mph on the ice, it handles more like it is going 130 MPH. That means that you have to think that much farther ahead, and begin to react that much sooner than if you were in the dry.

By: b1tr0t

b1tr0t — Thu, 18 Jan 2007 20:57:03 -0800

my comments from the other snow and ice question generally apply here, except that I80 won't do you much good.

Unless you want to end up in New Jersey.

By: rubberkey

rubberkey — Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:21:22 -0800

if you go into a skid on ice, don't slam on your brakes, it will make your car spin around. letting off the gas and coasting to a stop is the best plan. also, steer into the direction that your rear wheels are sliding, it will help you gain control of your vehicle again.

By: krautland

krautland — Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:36:51 -0800

drive slowly. 50 will do. these vehicles handle a lot different from your average car in difficult situations and they suck on ice, especially when light.

breaking: push, release, push, release the pedal. that's what ABS does but I don't know if those trucks have it. they say you should put weight into the trunk of rear-drive vehicles but considering that you are probably loading a lot anyway, you shouldn't have to worry too much about that anyway. make sure to check the tire profile, this will make an enormous difference.

in germany, there was a law that said you had to stick a 1DM coin, which is slightly larger than a quarter, into the profile of a tire and if more than half showed, you had a violation. cops were known to enforce this on autobahn onramps and having been in a severe accident at 210km/h, I can tell you the profile of your tire makes a lot of difference. refuse a vehicle that looks unsafe. walk around, check the tires. you are paying a lot for this thing and should not accept anything less than the best for it.

oh yeah: consider taking the PCH. it's beautiful where it runs close to the coast. stop at hearst castle. say hello to jalama beach, overnight in monterrey. the five is boring next to it, you won't see anything. my feeling is the PCH will be clear.

By: b1tr0t

b1tr0t — Thu, 18 Jan 2007 22:02:30 -0800

Whatever you do, stay away from the PCH. Everything that makes it nice to drive in the summer in a sports car will make it hell in a moving van towing a car.

By: bruce

bruce — Thu, 18 Jan 2007 22:04:52 -0800

on 5, you have to go over the siskiyous in southern oregon, check first to make sure it's open, should be ok now but an hour of snow can close it.

By: PercussivePaul

PercussivePaul — Thu, 18 Jan 2007 23:53:12 -0800

If you hit snow, you will get the hang of it quickly enough as long as you take it slow. The biggest problem is on the mountain roads you sometimes have long hills and lots of curves, and these are your enemy. If there is even a bit of snow on the ground you cannot touch the brake while you're turning; if you do you will skid straight ahead off the road. This means that you need to get your speed down well before the curve. All those '30mph curve ahead signs' are meant for these conditions - take them seriously. Brake on the straightaways (gently). When in doubt go slow.

By: paulsc

paulsc — Fri, 19 Jan 2007 01:02:40 -0800

Putting chains on a loaded truck and trailer is tough, by yourself. Make sure you can do this (and get them off), in the parking lot, before heading out on the road, where conditions are nearly bound to be worse when you have to do it to proceed. Driving a 16' truck, with a trailer, with both vehicles chained, is going to be excruciating. Your maximum speed is going to be something like 25 or 30 mph, and if you drive into clear pavement, you'll wear the chains very quickly, especially if they are light duty cable type "chains". In mountainous terrain, I've seen trucks stop and chain up/de-chain 3 times in 15 miles, and these guys were running heavy forged link chain sets. If you break or throw a chain, there is a good possibility that you'll damage a tire, or the vehicle, so make sure you have insurance cover. Even on packed snow, there will be noticeable vibration and jarring to your load, and you'll need to double check tires on the vehicles frequently, as well as rigging on your tow. Stuff just works loose on a snow chained rig, due to vibration.

"... I know I should wait until winter passes to make this trek, but unfortunately I cannot. "

This is the most concerning part of your question, because it's exactly that kind of attitude that can get you into real trouble. And it's wrong, of course. If you broke a leg and arm tomorrow, you'd have no choice but to deal with the move differently, so you would. You'd hire professionals, you'd sell more stuff, you'd leave the car until later, etc., or you'd postpone the move, because you'd have to. A broken leg and arm would make it clear to you that you needed to re-evaluate your plan, and make more reasonable choices.

If you've never driven a truck towing a trailer, and now "plan" to do so, if needs be, through snow and weather where mandatory chains may be required, you're getting so far out of what should be your "reasonable" zone, that you need to begin thinking more clearly. As if you'd just broken an arm and a leg.

By: fandango_matt

fandango_matt — Fri, 19 Jan 2007 01:13:03 -0800

posted by krautland oh yeah: consider taking the PCH. it's beautiful where it runs close to the coast. stop at hearst castle. say hello to jalama beach, overnight in monterrey. the five is boring next to it, you won't see anything. my feeling is the PCH will be clear.

DO NOT take PCH from Seattle to San Francisco in a rental truck with a car trailer. The overwhelming majority of Highway 1 is one lane in each direction, with frequent sharp and hairpin turns--many of which are frighteningly close to cliffs over the ocean--that are best driven in a vehicle you drive on a regular basis, and even then Highway 1 is best appreciated in small segments with frequent breaks.

The weight of a full rental truck with a car trailer will need a great deal of distance to slow down and make a safe stop without jackknifing the trailer--especially if there's rain or Black Ice--and if this is your first time driving such a combination, you want a straight and relatively flat road so you can slow down, stop safely, and be easily passed. Highway 1 offers none of those. Again, DO NOT take PCH.

By: kirkaracha

kirkaracha — Fri, 19 Jan 2007 05:40:16 -0800

Hearst Castle's great, but it's not on the way from Seattle to San Francisco. And PCH (Pacific Coast Highway) colloquially refers to California State Highway 1 and US101, but technically it's only in California.

By: drezdn

drezdn — Fri, 19 Jan 2007 06:27:55 -0800

In snow, on a multi-lane road, it's always tempting to go faster as other cars whiz past you. Resist this temptation with ever ounce of your being. Try to stay on the portion of the road that has already been plowed or salted (or has grooves from other cars). Then, don't let your tires out of the grooves as that tends to be the moment you'll loose control.

By: Aquaman

Aquaman — Fri, 19 Jan 2007 09:48:55 -0800

Uh, yeah, seconding the Pacific Coast Highway/Hwy 1 warning. Whoever suggested that clearly wants you dead.

There aren't too many places to get into trouble on I-5, but the Siskiyou Pass (southern Oregon) is definitely the exception. Pull over at the town before the pass (Ashland) and check the weather report. If it's bad, stay there overnight and head out in the morning.

Take it slow and you'll be fine. I-5 is a major highway. DO NOT take any "shortcuts" or scenic routes, fer gosh sakes.

By: b1tr0t

b1tr0t — Fri, 19 Jan 2007 09:55:04 -0800

Also, when you go over the Siskiyou Pass, stick with the big trucks. When the going gets steep (up and down), they will pull over to the far right of the road and crawl along at 5-15 MPH (conditions permitting). Drive along with them and resist the temptation to blast past them along with the suicidal SUVs.

When I drove from LA to Seattle along I5 last year in my small and nimble sedan, I found myself driving below the speed limit through the Siskiyou Pass. The turns are sharp and sudden and the road is steep.

By: theora55

theora55 — Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:50:35 -0800

Be prepared to pull off the road if necessary. I saw that video, and that kind of ice is just impassible. It happens occasionally in Maine, and there can be multi-vehicle pileups.

So, make sure you have sleeping bags, warm weather clothing, incl. hat, gloves, etc., water, candy, flashlight, and a few candles in a safe holder. Extra radio + batteries, cell phone fully charged, and don't let the gas get below 1/2 tank. A bag of sand or kitty litter is handy, as is a small shovel, even the gardening trowel. The candles are for comfort and are optional. Even in your car, you can have a fire.

By: icetaco

icetaco — Sat, 20 Jan 2007 07:42:52 -0800

Thanks everybody; there's some good advice here. I'm off!