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	<title>Comments on: Mathematicial inefficiencies of sports betting markets</title>
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	<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2006 12:07:42 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Question: Mathematicial inefficiencies of sports betting markets</title>
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		<description>Mathematicians, I&apos;ve always suspected there is a real opportunity to exploit the inefficiencies of the online sports betting markets and amateur bettors and make serious money. Have you felt the same way or am I kidding myself? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; For example, the odds across different sites for the same event are often substantially different. Is there some sort of arbitrage opportunity there? Also, I have a feeling that bettors (I assume bettors dictate how the odds are created?) overreact to events. By studying the longterm relationship between events and final outcomes and comparing to the odds at the time of the events, couldn&apos;t some pattern of inefficiency be identified which could be exploited? Any other statistically-sound ideas you&apos;ve had about this? (FYI, the three sites I have my eye on are betfred.com, betfair.com and centrebet.com.)</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2006 11:59:50 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: vizsla</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/53359/Mathematicial-inefficiencies-of-sports-betting-markets#804143</link>	
		<description>I realised I unfortunately used &quot;events&quot; in two different contexts in the above. For the arbitrage question, I meant &quot;event&quot; as a sporting occasion (e.g. a particular current or future contest e.g. a boat race, cricket match, football game etc). For the overreaction question, I meant an &quot;event&quot; as a particular occurrence in a contest e.g. points are scored, a competitor is knocked out, a wicket falls, someone is injured etc. Hope that helps clarify.</description>
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		<title>By: Blazecock Pileon</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/53359/Mathematicial-inefficiencies-of-sports-betting-markets#804158</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;By studying the longterm relationship between events and final outcomes and comparing to the odds at the time of the events, couldn&apos;t some pattern of inefficiency be identified which could be exploited&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;
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What you are describing can be studied with &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hidden_Markov_model&quot;&gt;hidden Markov models&lt;/a&gt; (HMMs). &lt;br&gt;
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There is a probability of going from hidden state to hidden state (&lt;i&gt;e.g.,&lt;/i&gt; &quot;spreads&quot;) which yield particular outcomes (&quot;scores&quot;).&lt;br&gt;
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By modeling how bettors determine their spreads and comparing this with actual empirical outcomes, you might be able to arbitrage an advantage on future outcomes, based on which bettor might overstep its spread.&lt;br&gt;
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&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaissance_Technologies&quot;&gt;Some hedge funds&lt;/a&gt; use HMMs to place informed bets on various financial markets.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2006 12:29:10 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: hexatron</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/53359/Mathematicial-inefficiencies-of-sports-betting-markets#804175</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.ca/Calculated-Bets-Computers-Gambling-Mathematical/dp/0521804264&quot;&gt;Calculated Bets : Computers, Gambling, and Mathematical Modeling to Win&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
by Steven Skiena is a pretty fascinating book on the subject. The author applied himself to Jai-Lai (he &lt;i&gt;likes&lt;/i&gt; Jai-Lai), and made a little money.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2006 12:50:02 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: milkrate</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/53359/Mathematicial-inefficiencies-of-sports-betting-markets#804202</link>	
		<description>There&apos;s already services that do this and send text messages to subscribers to inform them of the opportunity (google &quot;sports arbitrage&quot;). There was &lt;a href=&quot;http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=699901&quot;&gt;a paper written&lt;/a&gt; on the size and duration of mispricing across different sports (&quot;these arbitrage opportunities persist for a median of 15 minutes&quot;).</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2006 13:23:36 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: delmoi</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/53359/Mathematicial-inefficiencies-of-sports-betting-markets#804303</link>	
		<description>I wouldn&apos;t try this unless you have a CS Masters thesis to write.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2006 15:44:33 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: selton</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/53359/Mathematicial-inefficiencies-of-sports-betting-markets#804356</link>	
		<description>The easiest way to do something along the lines you describe is to find a widely read, influential tipster. Grab the best odds available then lay the horse/team at slightly lower odds on a site like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.betfair.com&quot;&gt;Betfair&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br&gt;
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In the UK for instance, &quot;Pricewise&quot; from the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.racingpost.co.uk&quot;&gt;Racing Post&lt;/a&gt; for horses is very influential. Almost all his tips will reduce dramatically in price.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2006 16:41:29 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ontic</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/53359/Mathematicial-inefficiencies-of-sports-betting-markets#804409</link>	
		<description>Take a look at this &lt;a href=&quot;http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-563808319704458028&amp;q=type%3Agoogle+engEDU+chance&quot;&gt;very interesting Google Techtalk video&lt;/a&gt; on the subject.  It&apos;s called Decision Making and Chance and gives some insight into automatic programs that discover these opportunities.  I&apos;m not sure that one could make any money, however.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2006 17:20:41 -0800</pubDate>
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