Can I improve the quality of my Comcast basic cable SD TV to 480p or better?
November 29, 2006 1:58 PM Subscribe
I have a Panasonic EDTV-ready plasma monitor, but don't want to pay a monthly fee for digital cable or a HD service. Can I do anything to improve the viewing quality of my Comcast basic cable SD TV signal, especially for those channels that are OTA HD?
I have a Panasonic TH-42PWD8UK plasma monitor and Comcast basic cable -- I don't really watch enough TV to justify the added monthly charge for digital cable or HD, and the above monitor is great for DVDs. I am currently using the tuner in my Sony RDRVX515 DVD-R/VCR, and (not surprisingly) the analog SD signal is meh. The monitor is EDTV-ready and supports 480i, 480p, 720p, and 1080i input signals.
Being somewhat cheap, can I do anything to get a 480p or greater signal without ponying up for a HD box from Comcast? A friend suggested using a DVICO Fusion HDTV card in a spare PC as a HD/EDTV tuner/PVR, and that this would allow me to see the basic cable channels that are already broadcast in HDTV, and improve the resolution of the remaining channels as well. I'm not crazy about this idea due to the added fan noise/complication of the PC, but this is more or less what I am looking for: better signal from existing sources.
Any other thoughts on how I can do this? I don't mind buying another hardware component, but don't really want to give Comcast more on a monthly basis.
Thanks.
I have a Panasonic TH-42PWD8UK plasma monitor and Comcast basic cable -- I don't really watch enough TV to justify the added monthly charge for digital cable or HD, and the above monitor is great for DVDs. I am currently using the tuner in my Sony RDRVX515 DVD-R/VCR, and (not surprisingly) the analog SD signal is meh. The monitor is EDTV-ready and supports 480i, 480p, 720p, and 1080i input signals.
Being somewhat cheap, can I do anything to get a 480p or greater signal without ponying up for a HD box from Comcast? A friend suggested using a DVICO Fusion HDTV card in a spare PC as a HD/EDTV tuner/PVR, and that this would allow me to see the basic cable channels that are already broadcast in HDTV, and improve the resolution of the remaining channels as well. I'm not crazy about this idea due to the added fan noise/complication of the PC, but this is more or less what I am looking for: better signal from existing sources.
Any other thoughts on how I can do this? I don't mind buying another hardware component, but don't really want to give Comcast more on a monthly basis.
Thanks.
Honestly, there isn't TOO much you can do without some sort of pc-based solution.
Your friend is partially right, but there are drawbacks. You can build a mythtv box with whatever tuner you want. You'll need a card that does both qam tuning and analog tuning. Analog mappings are cake. Digital, notsomuch. The channels move a lot, they're a pain to keep up with, and unless you don't care about guide information, this alone (at least to me) makes it worth it. If you want a more in-depth explanation, just ask.
Nothing, absolutely nothing, aside from signal strength and lack of noise, can make an analog picture better. Not a special tuner card, not a magical line insert, not even He-man, can improve analog signal.
A lot of HD broadcast channels are encrypted, just like the SD digital channels. You'll get a few HD signals, but not many. Then again, with subscribed digital cable, you also won't get many HD signals, as there just plain aren't that many.
What confuses me is the fact that you spent a grand on a TV but won't cough up 5 bucks a month for a 6412.
posted by onedarkride at 2:36 PM on November 29, 2006
Your friend is partially right, but there are drawbacks. You can build a mythtv box with whatever tuner you want. You'll need a card that does both qam tuning and analog tuning. Analog mappings are cake. Digital, notsomuch. The channels move a lot, they're a pain to keep up with, and unless you don't care about guide information, this alone (at least to me) makes it worth it. If you want a more in-depth explanation, just ask.
Nothing, absolutely nothing, aside from signal strength and lack of noise, can make an analog picture better. Not a special tuner card, not a magical line insert, not even He-man, can improve analog signal.
A lot of HD broadcast channels are encrypted, just like the SD digital channels. You'll get a few HD signals, but not many. Then again, with subscribed digital cable, you also won't get many HD signals, as there just plain aren't that many.
What confuses me is the fact that you spent a grand on a TV but won't cough up 5 bucks a month for a 6412.
posted by onedarkride at 2:36 PM on November 29, 2006
Cancel your comcast service and just get an OTA tuner and a decent antenna.
I get 16 digital channels over the air.
I have a MCE PC and just bought a $100 HD tuner card to get HD channels. I havent had any problems with reception, however you may want to check antennaweb.org to see what kind of antenna you need.
posted by mphuie at 2:54 PM on November 29, 2006
I get 16 digital channels over the air.
I have a MCE PC and just bought a $100 HD tuner card to get HD channels. I havent had any problems with reception, however you may want to check antennaweb.org to see what kind of antenna you need.
posted by mphuie at 2:54 PM on November 29, 2006
Response by poster: Thanks meehawl and onedarkride for helping me sort this out. You have both given me plenty to look into and get the ball rolling.
What confuses me is the fact that you spent a grand on a TV but won't cough up 5 bucks a month for a 6412
Well...maybe I'm an idiot? Lol, honestly, we're avid Netflix users and the monitor we got is great for DVDs, but we just don't watch that much TV, and what we do watch (Comedy Central, PBS, whatever's-on-after-the-kids-are-in-bed) doesn't need to be HD. When I looked into this a year ago when we got the new monitor, I thought the price differential between Basic cable and HD programming was much more than $5/month. If that's all it is, and there aren't a lot of secondary and/or hidden charges, I'll place an order today. I certainly didn't realize it was this cheap.
posted by mosk at 2:56 PM on November 29, 2006
What confuses me is the fact that you spent a grand on a TV but won't cough up 5 bucks a month for a 6412
Well...maybe I'm an idiot? Lol, honestly, we're avid Netflix users and the monitor we got is great for DVDs, but we just don't watch that much TV, and what we do watch (Comedy Central, PBS, whatever's-on-after-the-kids-are-in-bed) doesn't need to be HD. When I looked into this a year ago when we got the new monitor, I thought the price differential between Basic cable and HD programming was much more than $5/month. If that's all it is, and there aren't a lot of secondary and/or hidden charges, I'll place an order today. I certainly didn't realize it was this cheap.
posted by mosk at 2:56 PM on November 29, 2006
Well, I just called Comcast to find out how cheaply I could get local channels in HD (in Seattle). The helpful phone person told me that HD reception cannot be added to Comcast's cheaper service plans, and that the cheapest plan which would give me locals in HD would run some $50/month. She also told me that I could not add comcast DVR service to the cheap plans either. And thus disappears any incentive I might have to dump DirecTV for Comcast.
So I'd take that "$5/month" which a handful of salt. YMMV.
posted by carterk at 3:18 PM on November 29, 2006
So I'd take that "$5/month" which a handful of salt. YMMV.
posted by carterk at 3:18 PM on November 29, 2006
and what we do watch (Comedy Central, PBS, whatever's-on-after-the-kids-are-in-bed) doesn't need to be HD
FYI, and this may help sway your decision, Comedy Central does not broadcast in HD anyway, and as near as I can tell they have no plans to do so in the immediate future.
The HD stuff from Comcast is indeed $5 a month, but that presupposes you're already on a digital box with a silver or platinum package - if you're not, it's closer to carterk's $50 a month estimate, and an extra $10 if you want the DVR.
posted by pdb at 3:55 PM on November 29, 2006
FYI, and this may help sway your decision, Comedy Central does not broadcast in HD anyway, and as near as I can tell they have no plans to do so in the immediate future.
The HD stuff from Comcast is indeed $5 a month, but that presupposes you're already on a digital box with a silver or platinum package - if you're not, it's closer to carterk's $50 a month estimate, and an extra $10 if you want the DVR.
posted by pdb at 3:55 PM on November 29, 2006
Response by poster: FYI, and this may help sway your decision, Comedy Central does not broadcast in HD anyway, and as near as I can tell they have no plans to do so in the immediate future.
The HD stuff from Comcast is indeed $5 a month, but that presupposes you're already on a digital box with a silver or platinum package - if you're not, it's closer to carterk's $50 a month estimate, and an extra $10 if you want the DVR.
Yeah, I know for a fact that we only have basic cable now, so I'll need to see what the price jump will be, talk to my wife, etc. , which I won't be able to do that for a few hours. Also, we live in a very hilly area, so OTA antenna reception is notoriously crummy, and while we can probably find whatever we would be missing on BitTorrent, upgrading our Comcast account may make the most sense.
Anyway, thank you all very much for your help in bringing me up to speed with the technical limitations of what I want to do. I don't know if I can pick a single best answer, but I greatly appreciate everyone's contributions to this thread.
posted by mosk at 4:40 PM on November 29, 2006
The HD stuff from Comcast is indeed $5 a month, but that presupposes you're already on a digital box with a silver or platinum package - if you're not, it's closer to carterk's $50 a month estimate, and an extra $10 if you want the DVR.
Yeah, I know for a fact that we only have basic cable now, so I'll need to see what the price jump will be, talk to my wife, etc. , which I won't be able to do that for a few hours. Also, we live in a very hilly area, so OTA antenna reception is notoriously crummy, and while we can probably find whatever we would be missing on BitTorrent, upgrading our Comcast account may make the most sense.
Anyway, thank you all very much for your help in bringing me up to speed with the technical limitations of what I want to do. I don't know if I can pick a single best answer, but I greatly appreciate everyone's contributions to this thread.
posted by mosk at 4:40 PM on November 29, 2006
Even if your analog antenna signal is crap, you might want to give the digital reception a try. With the right antenna/booster/receiver, you can get very good results. If it's a station you want/like, the results are marvellous. It's either well-nigh perfect, or it's just not there. There's really very little in between, no ghosting, artifacts, fringes, etc. If you have a bunch of hills you probably want a receiver good at "multipath".
posted by meehawl at 7:27 PM on November 29, 2006
posted by meehawl at 7:27 PM on November 29, 2006
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Alternatively, use bittorrent to download shows from sites such as isohunt and mvgroup. Download only the high-res ones. Burn to DVDs. But a cheap, modern upscaling DVD player that can playback DIVX HD discs (expect to pay around $40-$80). Your 720p and 1080i/1080p divx shows will play back quite well on the EDTV. I don;t know if your current DVD player supports high-res DIVX, but you can check here.
posted by meehawl at 2:25 PM on November 29, 2006