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Question: I'm already sad about this as I type it...

exlotuseater — Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:21:37 -0800

Is there a word for a sort of nostalgia or longing for the current moment?

Nostalgia is a word used to describe the longing that one feels for (the place of) their childhood, a romanticized place that we can never go back to (due to loss of innocence and all that jazz).

Is there a word in English or otherwise that describes the feeling of longing for the present moment that we know will pass and will never occur again?

I looked here, here and here, all good threads about notions and words, untranslatable or not, and did not find what I am looking for.

By: phrontist

phrontist — Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:26:31 -0800

I'm certain Buddhism has a term for this, I just can't remember it. It is, of course, seen as a bad thing. "clinging" to the present robs you of actually experiencing it.

I know exactly what you mean though.

By: phrontist

phrontist — Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:31:39 -0800

Trishna is the sanskrit term for desire/attachment generally speaking. There has got to be something better though.

By: amarynth

amarynth — Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:32:02 -0800

That reminds me of this exchange from Kicking and Screaming (the Noah Baumbach movie, not the Will Ferrell movie):

Max: I'm too nostalgic. I'll admit it.
Skippy: We graduated four months ago. What can you possibly be nostalgic for?
Max: I'm nostalgic for conversations I had yesterday. I've begun reminiscing events before they even occur. I'm reminiscing this right now. I can't go to the bar because I've already looked back on it in my memory... and I didn't have a good time.

By: AmbroseChapel

AmbroseChapel — Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:36:04 -0800

There's a passage about (roughly) this idea in a recent Salon article:

In his famous essay "The Sense of an Ending," the British literary critic Frank Kermode drew a distinction between the two Greek words for time: "kronos," which is the mere tick-tock of ordinary life, clock time, just "one damn thing after another," and "kairos," which is special or crisis time, transfigured time, time with the tragic dimension restored. He argues that Christianity, the central Western myth about time, instills that dimension; so does great literature.

So, in their own way, do children. They uncannily double your experiences, like an overtone or an octave note. You see yourself in your kids, but in a very strange way. Watching your children is like watching yourself through a window. You simultaneously live your life and observe it. This leads to a peculiar phenomenon: You frequently remember the experiences you have with your kids at the same time you're having them.

By: languagehat

languagehat — Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:49:49 -0800

I don't know of any word for it, but "nostalgia for the present" works fine. (There's no single word for "French toast" or "puppy love"; so what?) For what it's worth, it's the name of a good book of poetry by Andrei Voznesensky, and you might be interested in this discussion of the quality in Godard.

By: ontic

ontic — Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:58:22 -0800

Nowstalgia.

Thanks, I'll be here all night.

By: zadcat

zadcat — Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:10:42 -0800

The Japanese call it mono no aware – or did, I have no idea whether it's still a key part of their culture.

The Elizabethans had a similar notion, mutabilitie – the sense that everything's always changing. And Buddhists talk about impermanence.

By: rob511

rob511 — Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:26:14 -0800

"How could today be any more beautiful?" Tom cried panglossianistically.

By: cerebus19

cerebus19 — Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:27:49 -0800

I've heard it referred to as "anticipated nostalgia."

By: emelenjr

emelenjr — Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:33:48 -0800

Could fear of change be another way of describing being happy in the moment and not wanting that to end? Maybe a word for fear of change, then.

By: JujuB

JujuB — Mon, 13 Nov 2006 20:09:20 -0800

"It's a Kodak moment"...remember the ads?

Am I a child of the media or what?

By: littlelebowskiurbanachiever

littlelebowskiurbanachiever — Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:24:26 -0800

@ontic

ba-dum (crash)

By: of strange foe

of strange foe — Mon, 13 Nov 2006 22:02:58 -0800

Chinese is good for this: 留恋 and 依依不舍 are both close to what you want.

By: Urban Hermit

Urban Hermit — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 00:22:59 -0800

I experience this a lot, but I'm not sure if there's a word for it.

On a related note, is there a word for that feeling you get when you're sure there's a word for something and you're right on the verge of coming up with it, but can't? No, I didn't think so.

I think "anticipated nostalgia" or "nostalgia for the present" would work.

Some poetic treatments of the subject, in case anyone is interested:

Nostalgia for the Present, Jan Haag

The cicadas like
electrical impulses
fill the afternoon
from one fastness of the universe
to another
buzzing
filling my heart with summer
leaves in abundance
covering the forest
grass covering the hills
love welling up
spilling across your
body
my body
awash
with the soul-contracting
surprise
of a gasp
as you touch my hand
my face
as you touch my belly
like a cicada
full of electrical impulses
in the quiet
of the summer afternoon
where two lives intersect
I hardly dare breathe
with your fingers
against my lips
your touch on the very
apex of my heart
electrical impulses
as pervasive
as the cidada's hum
through the summer afternoon
as the mist
obscures the number
of the leaves
on the trees
and my heart
cries
with longing for
this moment
to happen
forever

Nostalgia for the Present, Jorge Luis Borges

At that very instant:
Oh, what I would not give for the joy
of being at your side in Iceland
inside the great unmoving daytime
and of sharing this now
the way one shares music
or the taste of fruit.
At that very instant
the man was at her side in Iceland.