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Question: the pure, pulsing night / of snouts sticking out of slime

salvia — Fri, 22 Sep 2006 12:04:44 -0800

Books about people and animals -- the less cheesy the better -- any suggestions?

I'm looking for books about how people relate to animals, about people trying to make friends with animals or cross over into the world of some other species. Or for books that try to give you a view into the particular world of some other animal. The better the writing, the better. The less cheesy the better. Nonfiction and fiction are okay. Any recommendations?

By: vizsla

vizsla — Fri, 22 Sep 2006 12:06:41 -0800

Pack of Two - Caroline Knapp

By: spasm

spasm — Fri, 22 Sep 2006 12:07:55 -0800

The Metamorphosis by Franz Kafka.

By: cosmicbandito

cosmicbandito — Fri, 22 Sep 2006 12:09:45 -0800

Never Cry Wolf by Farley Mowat is excellent. Much better than the Disneyfied movie version.

By: bradn

bradn — Fri, 22 Sep 2006 12:09:58 -0800

The Other End of the Leash

Specifically about dogs, (not sure if that's what you're looking for) but it gives great insight into our sometimes very complicated relationships with them.

By: mikepop

mikepop — Fri, 22 Sep 2006 12:10:50 -0800

Life of Pi, Yann Martel

By: ruby.aftermath

ruby.aftermath — Fri, 22 Sep 2006 12:11:07 -0800

Life of Pi.

By: ruby.aftermath

ruby.aftermath — Fri, 22 Sep 2006 12:11:18 -0800

Damn.

By: slenderloris

slenderloris — Fri, 22 Sep 2006 12:12:24 -0800

Most anything by Jane Goodall on her work with chimpanzees would fit the bill. Her Wikipedia entry has a bibliography; many of her works have won awards.

By: LobsterMitten

LobsterMitten — Fri, 22 Sep 2006 12:17:13 -0800

Watership Down
Tailchaser's Song by Tad Williams
The Abandoned by Paul Gallico
lots of stuff by Farley Mowat
are ones that I loved as a young adult, or have known teens who loved. They might count as pretty cheesey though.

There are lots of good nonfiction books about primates.
Try an Amazon search for books by Dian Fossey or Jane Goodall; then see what other similar results you get.

By: salvia

salvia — Fri, 22 Sep 2006 12:28:50 -0800

These are great -- keep them coming! :) To contribute to the list, here are a few I've read lately--

* Julie and the Wolves, where Julie survives being lost on the tundra by figuring out how to communicate with wolves and half-joining a wolf pack. (It's for 12-year-olds, so it might be a bit boring for adults, but it has great descriptions of her life among these wolves.)

* In Philip K. Dick's Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?, most animals have died out, so animals are now one of the most valuable things in the world. Some have to buy electric ones, but they dream of owning a real living and breathing animal, if only they could afford to buy one. The main character finds a frog thought to be completely extinct, in a poignant moment near the end.

* I'm almost done reading Jim Harrison's The Beast God Forgot to Invent. A character with brain damage becomes half-wild -- he loses his ability to remember things, spends his days wandering through the forest and swimming in a bog, and becomes keenly interested in plants and animals. He ends up trying to track a beast only he can see. The story is half about how he lives, and half about how this feral man makes others feel about their own life. (And God, is Harrison ever a good writer. He's really good at capturing people's moment-by-moment thoughts.)

Just throwing these out to spark your thoughts!

By: whatzit

whatzit — Fri, 22 Sep 2006 12:29:47 -0800

I've got your fiction horse books covered here:
My Friend Flicka
The Red Pony
The Black Stallion, and other Walter Farley books
Misty of Chincoteague, and other Marguerite Henry books

See also The Yearling (deer). Depending on your interests, you may also look at Koko and his Kitten, and other books about Koko (a gorilla who learned ESL and painted, among other things.)

By: Skot

Skot — Fri, 22 Sep 2006 12:33:02 -0800

Yeah, it's a comic book, but you should really check out Grant Morrison's We3.

By: Skot

Skot — Fri, 22 Sep 2006 12:34:57 -0800

Sigh. Of course I forgot the link. We3.

By: spasm

spasm — Fri, 22 Sep 2006 12:35:30 -0800

King Rat by China Mieville.

By: infinitewindow

infinitewindow — Fri, 22 Sep 2006 12:37:19 -0800

Temple Grandin, Animals in Translation: Using the Mysteries of Autism to Decode Animal Behavior. Probably not for "animal lovers"—Grandin is a slaughterhouse engineer—but an excellent insight into what and how animals think.

By: holyrood

holyrood — Fri, 22 Sep 2006 12:41:57 -0800

Jack London-- The Call of the Wild, White Fang, many others (maybe not actually "correct" in terms of animal behaviors, but about as realistic as Julie and the Wolves).

Temple Grandin observes livestock and writes about them.

Clan Apis by Jay Hosler is a graphic novel about bees that is meticulously researched in terms of bee behavior.

By: holyrood

holyrood — Fri, 22 Sep 2006 12:42:25 -0800

(and infinite window posted in the 2 seconds between preview and post! d'oh!)

By: muddgirl

muddgirl — Fri, 22 Sep 2006 12:44:50 -0800

All Creatures Great and Small - I read it as a teenager and it really fed my love for animals. Herriot is (or writes about) a farm town veterinarian. His other books are just as wonderful, as I recall.

By: cosmicbandito

cosmicbandito — Fri, 22 Sep 2006 12:51:06 -0800

Wild Anuimals I have Known is another great one, and it's free on project Gutenberg

By: lonefrontranger

lonefrontranger — Fri, 22 Sep 2006 12:53:51 -0800

Seabiscuit, An American Legend by Anne Hillenbrand

Way, waaaaay better than the movie. I can't explain how much better. Funny, truthful, poignant and one of the best sports psychology reads I can recommend.

By: maryh

maryh — Fri, 22 Sep 2006 13:09:29 -0800

Man Meets Dog by Konrad Lorenz
(any of his books, really)

By: sad_otter

sad_otter — Fri, 22 Sep 2006 13:35:11 -0800

Rafi Zabor's The Bear Comes Home.

By: INTPLibrarian

INTPLibrarian — Fri, 22 Sep 2006 13:44:41 -0800

Seconding (Thirding?) Animals in Translation by Temple Grandin.

Not sure what qualifies as "cheesy", so I'll recommend Watchers by Dean Koontz and let you be the judge.

By: OmieWise

OmieWise — Fri, 22 Sep 2006 13:45:31 -0800

Jon Katz has several very good books about dogs.

Mark Derr's Man's Best Friend is quite excellent (also about dogs).

By: fermion

fermion — Fri, 22 Sep 2006 13:47:58 -0800

I'm a big fan of Gerald Durrell's books--lots of anecdotes about his experiences collecting animals for zoos and conservation efforts. The Stationary Ark, which is specifically about zoos and zoo design, might get into some of the animal psychology stuff you're looking for.

There's also Raptor Red, by Robert Bakker--it's a very well-done biography of a velociraptor.

By: jamjam

jamjam — Fri, 22 Sep 2006 14:07:56 -0800

Animals and Men, by Kenneth Clark.

I find it impossible to describe, impossible to do more than salute the brilliance of this book. Clark produces a small essay-- in many cases no more than a caption-- for each work of art pictured, but I've gotten more insight from that juxtaposition in many instances than from books I've read from cover to cover with close attention.

By: lampoil

lampoil — Fri, 22 Sep 2006 14:11:48 -0800

OK I really don't know if this book is any good, but if it's human-animal relationships you're after, you must at least check out the reviews of Lobster.

On a more serious note, how about Timothy; or, Notes of an Abject Reptile?

Also, perhaps, the short story "A House Taken Over," by Cortazar, which appears in English in Blow-up.

By: salvia

salvia — Fri, 22 Sep 2006 14:15:09 -0800

INTP librarian, what I meant by cheesy was something like, Where the Red Fern Grows. Though I haven't read it recently, so maybe I shouldn't diss it. Definitely anything Disney, cute little mice behaving exactly like people, way too cheesy.

I don't know where Watchers fits -- it cracks me up that you mentioned it! (In a good way.) I read it 15 years ago, and I hadn't thought of it at all. I bet I'd get something new if I read it through this lens.

I hadn't thought of reading about dogs or horses. I'd been thinking more about the human trying to fit into a wilder animal world than about trying to fit animals into our world, about people having to engage animals on their own terms. But now that I think about it, dogs' minds are a whole different world from ours. All of these sound interesting -- thanks for the suggestions, everyone, and I look forward to hearing more!

By: rob511

rob511 — Fri, 22 Sep 2006 14:33:15 -0800

Stories of children raised by (or as) animals go back at least as far as Romulus and Remus. More recent literary versions are Burroughs' Tarzan series and Kipling's Jungle Book: Mowgli's Story. Films based on accounts of actual feral children include Truffaut's L'enfant sauvage (The Wild Child) and Herzog's Jeder für sich und Gott gegen alle (The Mystery of Kaspar Hauser).

Most recent and perhaps oddest of all is the plight of a Fijian man named Sunjit Kumar who spent several formative years in a chicken coop. He eventually escaped and, believed mentally ill, was institutionalized for 20 years. Finally, a visiting aid worker rescued him, and he is undergoing rehabilitation. According to the 2004 report linked above, his ability to communicate is improving, and he "shows no sign of mental illness, is being toilet trained and is no longer pecking at his food."

By: lain

lain — Fri, 22 Sep 2006 14:41:03 -0800

Touching Spirit Bear is an awesome book.

Can't forget the classic Old Yeller

By: lalex

lalex — Fri, 22 Sep 2006 14:41:47 -0800

Cry of the Kalahari is fascinating non-fiction.

By: quin

quin — Fri, 22 Sep 2006 14:41:50 -0800

While not exactly a scientific tome, Christopher Moore's book Fluke is an entertaining look at the inner workings of the the whale world.

"All killer whales are named Kevin. You knew that right?"

By: X4ster

X4ster — Fri, 22 Sep 2006 15:31:23 -0800

Several excellent recommendations here. I want to second and support the recommendation of any and all of the James Herriot books as well as Konrad Lorenz, especially "Man meets Dog", and Seabiscuit. Certainly there are lots more possibilities but all of the above speak to the close relationships of humans and animals.

By: AmbroseChapel

AmbroseChapel — Fri, 22 Sep 2006 15:46:40 -0800

The Sword In The Stone by T H White has some lovely and detailed episodes with the young Arthur being transformed into animals. It's been years since I read it but I remember some of those episodes very clearly even now.

By: one_bean

one_bean — Fri, 22 Sep 2006 16:09:11 -0800

Second Gerald Durrell. Truly excellent.

Also, Ring of Bright Water is an excellent tale of a man and his otter pets. Maybe a little cheesy, but a classic.

By: biscotti

biscotti — Fri, 22 Sep 2006 16:48:16 -0800

Bones Would Rain From The Sky by Suzanne Clothier.

The Culture Clash by Jean Donaldson (this book has changed more people's ways of thinking about dogs than any book I know - and it's snarky/funny too).

By: i_am_joe's_spleen

i_am_joe's_spleen — Fri, 22 Sep 2006 16:51:38 -0800

Jeffrey Masson's books are very interesting. Try The Pig Who Sang To The Moon.

By: jamjam

jamjam — Fri, 22 Sep 2006 16:52:40 -0800

I don't think Ring of Bright Water is cheesy at all, one_bean, it's wonderful-- and more topical than you might imagine. Christopher Hitchens gave the restoration of the swamp habitat from which Mijbil, the otter protagonist of Ring' came, and that Saddam Hussein had drained more than 90% of, as one of his main reasons for favoring the Iraq War and switching over to the side of the NeoCons. I've often wondered if Mijbil and the fate of all his kin were factors in Hitchen's very surprising choice.

By: Rash

Rash — Fri, 22 Sep 2006 16:53:15 -0800

Several books by Stephen Meader: Bat, the Story of a Bull Terrier, Wild Pony Island, Red Horse Hill and Cedar's Boy. All of his books are back in print via Southern Skies.

By: dragonsi55

dragonsi55 — Fri, 22 Sep 2006 20:57:15 -0800

Not a book, but you would probably like watching
'Grizzly Man'

By: Melinika

Melinika — Fri, 22 Sep 2006 21:48:27 -0800

My Family and Other Animals by Gerald Durrell is a book of this type that I very much enjoyed.

By: ceri richard

ceri richard — Sat, 23 Sep 2006 00:17:21 -0800

"In Timbuktu Paul Auster tackles homelessness in America using a dog as his point-of-view character.

...it's been done before, in John Berger's King, and it actually works."

Highly recommend the Auster novel, have yet to read the King one.

By: jdroth

jdroth — Mon, 25 Sep 2006 08:44:21 -0800

I know I'm late to the party, but I'd like to add a couple of books: Mind of the Raven: Investigations and Adventures with Wolf Birds and Ravens in Winter by Bernd Henrich.