Comments on: Does any culture have a word for that "what if I suddenly..." feeling?

Question: Does any culture have a word for that "what if I suddenly..." feeling?

paul_smatatoes — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:16:00 -0800

Name That Thing! You know that feeling you get sometimes when you wonder what would happen if you did something outrageous- punched a cop, stepped off a building, peed on the dinner table? No? Well, I'm sure I'm not the only one, because both Daniel Clowes (in Eightball) and P.G. Wodehouse (in Carry On, Jeeves) mention it. The problem is, what do you call it? Does any culture have a word for this? I certainly can't think of an (American) English word or phrase shorter than "You know that feeling when...", etc.

By: sulaine

sulaine — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:25:30 -0800

I have that feeling a lot. I always ask (assuming I am with someone) "What you would do if I pushed you into that fountain?" Or whatever I am fantasizing about. And I genuinely want to know what they would do. I really like it when I get a real response, such as, "I would obviously be wet and then I would climb out and catch you and then I would throw you into the fountain and stand there and laugh." It isn't nearly as much fun well the response is some fakey appalled gasp or blow off as if I would never actually do what I am proposing.

By: scheptech

scheptech — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:26:11 -0800

Excited, thrilled, hyped...

By: sulaine

sulaine — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:26:20 -0800

I suppose that didn't really answer your question though. Deviant fantasies?

By: krautland

krautland — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:31:40 -0800

casual outrages.

By: Pressed Rat

Pressed Rat — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:36:13 -0800

You too, huh?

By: rampy

rampy — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:37:54 -0800

isn't the word "impulses"?

By: French Fry

French Fry — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:38:26 -0800

Spontaneous Crazy?

I don't know what it is called generally, my friends and I called it the "Crazy Sparkle", I.E. "Oh Crap, Jenny has the Crazy Sparkle"

By: prostyle

prostyle — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:42:24 -0800

Considering the question does not necessitate context aside from the act of wondering about an (assumedly) negative outcome, I'd presume the word you are looking for is curiosity. Beware, it may kill your cat.

If you really are only referencing the feeling you get from this situational curiosity, it may be excitement, fear, trepidation, or none of the above - depending on your cumulative experiences and current cognitive disposition. Who knows, maybe you punch cops all the time? You'd be pretty desensitized, so this nebulous feeling would not be a universal constant.

By: saladin

saladin — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:46:46 -0800

Edgar Allen Poe called it "The Imp of the Perverse."

By: Elsa

Elsa — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:48:09 -0800

In childhood, I read the E.A. Poe phrase "the imp of the perverse" and have always thought of that when faced with the urge to perform some undesirable and (as you say) "outrageous" act.

By: Elsa

Elsa — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:48:33 -0800

D'oh!

By: M.C. Lo-Carb!

M.C. Lo-Carb! — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:48:37 -0800

Actually, I like the name you gave it -- the "What if I suddenly..." feeling.

I get this impulse all the time. One of my favorites is thinking later about how someone who had been annoyingly chatty with me, such as the guy who sells newspapers outside my grocery store, would react if I just punched them in the face. Not that I've ever punched anyone in my life, it's just wierd to think about doing totaly socially unacceptable and unexpected things.

I also think this feeling contributes to most people's fear of precipices - such as the edges of buildings or cliffs.

By: Miko

Miko — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:48:58 -0800

[Reserves Crazy Sparkle as next username]

By: zombiebunny

zombiebunny — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:56:05 -0800

Seconding crazy sparkle! I've had that feeling. I remember being in grade school, thinking I was moments away from just running around the classroom like I was on fire and then wondering if I'd actually just sat in my seat AFTER running around the classroom like I was on fire. It's a weird feeling, not entirely pleasant. I've had similar notions since, but I don't personally equate them with fantasy or impulse.

By: Vindaloo

Vindaloo — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:59:58 -0800

I believe that the thing that seperates "normal" folk from "crazy" folk is that us normals don't listen to the voices inside our heads that say "what would happen if I pushed this guy into oncoming traffic?" or "what if I hit the accelerator and hit the jump created by that flatbed tow-truck?"

The nice thing about good writers is that they can make us visit these curious thoughts.

By: paul_smatatoes

paul_smatatoes — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:07:27 -0800

it's distinct from both "impulse" and "curiosity" because there's a crucial "personally doing the unexpected and breaking some sort of social more". Impulses can just be buying wacky hats or taking a long walk at lunch, and curiosity, while it can lead to negative outcomes, is just a general inquisitiveness.

By: paul_smatatoes

paul_smatatoes — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:11:03 -0800

"crazy sparkle" in German is "verrückter Schein". i like that a little better.

By: Humanzee

Humanzee — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:15:12 -0800

I would call it "sociopathic fantasizing". I guess that's two words though. In case that sounds judgemental, I'll cop to doing it myself occasionally. Still, it is what it is...

By: lackutrol

lackutrol — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:16:19 -0800

I get this all the time, with both extremely dangerous and just weird impulses. I like "imp of the perverse."

By: crabintheocean

crabintheocean — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:17:14 -0800

"Being confronted by your own ultimate freedom" is what we call it in our house. I don't know where my wife got that phrase.

It's that realization that you could do something with just a small action that would change everything - that you steer around a left turn many times a day, but if you made the same action now, into oncoming highway traffic, it would become one of those scenes that happen to other people, and everything would look, feel, and be different - and there would be no way to undo that action.

By: Steven C. Den Beste

Steven C. Den Beste — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:19:17 -0800

My name for it has always been "High Cliff syndrome". (Because the little voice whispers, "Jump!")

By: scazza

scazza — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:19:46 -0800

Anxiety.

By: danb

danb — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:25:24 -0800

I usually get this in food courts in malls, for some reason. What if I took all of the samples at the Chinese place? What if I went over to that random guy and asked if I could have some of his fries? What if I just sat with a group of people I don't know?

By: lunalaguna

lunalaguna — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:25:43 -0800

I'm glad other people get this. I quite often fantasize about breaking plates or smashing beer bottles in restaurants. That said, I'm unconvinced there isn't a word for it in German. Weird pathological behaviors and emotions are what German's good for!

By: Brandon Blatcher

Brandon Blatcher — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:28:53 -0800

Being a teenager?

By: poppo

poppo — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:30:43 -0800

Man you people are crazy and need help.

By: lunalaguna

lunalaguna — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:35:02 -0800

My Austrian friend said there's a word for something similar...Geistesblitz (literally, "ghost storm" or "ghost lightning"), but that's more like an epiphany.

By: Pigpen

Pigpen — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:37:37 -0800

Within political/jounalist circles in New Zealand, they have a phrase "the stuff it factor". It refers to the phenomenon of a voter who's a dyed-in-the-wool supporter of one party, and who has every intention of voting for that party throughout an election campaign, may even have campaigned for that party... then inexplicably (and deliberately) votes for an opposing party candidate because in that split-second they're confronted with the ballot paper in the booth, they think, 'ahhh, STUFF IT!" and vote against their proclaimed political values.

By: fishfucker

fishfucker — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:39:56 -0800

not necessarily the proper use of the word, but I think "vertigo" describes the condition nicely.

By: lunalaguna

lunalaguna — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:42:13 -0800

Also, "Vom Affen gebissen." (You were bit by a monkey.)

By: CtrlAltDelete

CtrlAltDelete — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:43:13 -0800

In my home, we always called that type of behavior "pulling a Falling Down."

(As in, "I was really frustrated at work today and I almost pulled a Falling Down.")

That said, a one word description could be useful. I don't know about crazy sparkle though; it seems benevolent somehow, as if someone with a crazy sparkle might spontaneously sprinkle you with confetti instead of shove you off a bridge.

By: prostyle

prostyle — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:46:54 -0800

Impulses can just be buying wacky hats or taking a long walk at lunch...

Not if hats scare the living shit out of you, or your countrymen frown upon long walks at lunch due to various cultural myths that hinge on Bad Things Happening when you dilly-dally during your snack break. "Just" is a very pejorative term in the context of discussing social norms and acceptability, it assumes a great deal of individual history that may or may not be analagous to an acceptable "norm".

...curiosity,while it can lead to negative outcomes, is just a general inquisitiveness.

Well, you're the one who is limiting the scope of the application of the word itself. I don't see how it is inapplicable simply because you feel the supposedly negative context of these situations facilitates a radically different perspective compared to other circumstances that have confronted you throughout your existence. Step out of your reality tunnel and into one of a schizophrenic, and you'll be awash in these feelings pulling you every which way, hinging on the most ridiculous things you couldn't possibly fathom.

By: teleskiving

teleskiving — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:00:55 -0800

I'd call it a catharsis fantasy. If just thinking about it actually does give you significant some emotional release I suppose it could be called a cathartic fantasy but it doesn't really work that way for me.

By: solotoro

solotoro — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:02:49 -0800

Actually, prostyle, I think what you paul meant, despite using the word "just," is that "impulse" and "curiosity" are more broad than he wants, as opposed to more limited.
I mean, if I told French Fry that I had an impulse today, that wouldn't be as informative as if I told him/her that I'd had "the crazy sparkle."

I think there should be a word describing this particular subset of curiosity about certain impulses, as well.

By: teleskiving

teleskiving — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:07:07 -0800

I've changed my mind - "cathartic fantasy" is better. Cathartic means "relating to catharsis" as well as "producing catharsis", so it covers all the bases, albeit in an ambiguous way.

I spent way too long thinking about this interesting question.

By: Frasermoo

Frasermoo — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:09:25 -0800

Sometimes if I am talking to someone at work while holding a coffee, I suddenly think about throwing it in their face for no apparent reason. I don't know if this is the same sort of thing but I would like an explanation... and god I hope I never have a synapse bypass that makes it happen.

By: catesbie

catesbie — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:13:29 -0800

Wasn't it Milan Kundera who said that vertifo wasn't the fear of falling, it was the fear of jumping? Maybe there's a word for it in Czech.

By: catesbie

catesbie — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:13:45 -0800

VertiGO. Jeez.

By: jamjam

jamjam — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:33:35 -0800

What a great question. I get this so bad when I walk over a certain high bridge spanning a canal that I experience electric shock feelings running down the outsides of both legs, and I once astounded a friend with whom I was having an exciting argument while crossing that same bridge by getting down on my hands and knees and crawling the last 30 feet (I just had to!). In school I did get up and run around the classroom many times up until sixth grade-- and a number of other things too embarassing to detail here.

I've never had 'Tourette's' tossed in my direction, but I do experience a measure of 'the forbidden made compulsory' in this, and I'm guessing that's at the root of your question, paul_smatatoes, as well as some of the other answers.

By: stinkycheese

stinkycheese — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:34:20 -0800

I would've said "the imp of the perverse" as well.

Maybe "acting out"? It's kinda like OCD, but not exactly. Very interesting question. Personally, I like lunalaguna's "ghost storm".

By: Aghast.

Aghast. — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 14:06:04 -0800

I was just writing about this.

By: AmbroseChapel

AmbroseChapel — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 14:07:00 -0800

I don't know the name of it, but it's apparently a common question in those psychometric tests which are popular nowadays, as in, "when you stand on a high place, do you ever get the urge to jump off?".

My friend had that question on a test for people who wanted to join the Army Reserves, said yes, and got in. And I've heard of it being asked in a couple of other contexts too.

So, maybe ask a psychologist what that question is testing for?

By: schroedinger

schroedinger — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 14:28:08 -0800

Oh God, I don't know what you call it but I'm glad I'm not the only one.

By: snailer

snailer — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 14:30:01 -0800

I think the urge to commit self harm and violence are separate to the urge to do something strange or out-of-the-ordinary.

I recall reading somewhere about the impulse to jump in front of a train when it is approaching the platform. The gist of the article was that the primal self-preservation instinct kicks in and makes you visualise or experience the notion of being hit by the train. Then, mere milliseconds later, the rational brain kicks in and says "No, that is a Bad Idea. Move behind the yellow line and LIVE! for another day".

The article also dealt in some way with the violent impulsive thoughts, and mentioned the same kind of lower brain functions spooling out violent, primal urges, with the rational brain reeling you in saying "No, that is a Bad Idea. Refrain from pummelling the clown to mush. Treat yourself to another beer."

The other reasons I've heard or read about for this kind of behaviour is OCD or ADD in some cases, or a manifestation of Stress Response. I don't know if I buy any of these.

The other, more fanciful imaginings one might be able to put down to boredom.

At any rate, there doesn't seem to be a single good word for it, so the opportunity is there to coin a new one, Paul!

By: Megafly

Megafly — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 14:30:16 -0800

My first thought was "the Imp of the Perverse"

By: ifjuly

ifjuly — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 14:35:31 -0800

poe's phrase "imp of the perverse" comes to mind...as in, "wow, my imp of the perverse is egging me to..."

By: ludwig_van

ludwig_van — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 14:36:06 -0800

I want to suggest some form of whim or whimsey, but that's along the lines of impulse, and not really specific enough. But I just looked up whim and learned that it's short for whim-wham, which seems like it would be a good term for this, although it means something else already.

I get this all the time though. Practically whenever I'm holding a bottle I think about smashing it on someone. Also, at plays and serious concerts, or in a lecture, when the room is mostly quiet, I often think about screaming something absurd or throwing something.

By: melissa may

melissa may — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 14:42:03 -0800

Jack Karaoke taught me that the French call high cliff syndrome l'appelle d'vide. But yes, I'd also say imp of the perverse, and I quite like crazy sparkle too.

By: melissa may

melissa may — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 14:46:18 -0800

Later, Turtle came along and taught me the correct spelling, l'appel du vide, but I'd forgot.

By: jayCampbell

jayCampbell — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 15:08:56 -0800

Babelfish translates l'appel du vide as: The Call of the Vacuum.

By: Chunder

Chunder — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 15:11:38 -0800

Although I don't have a word for this (rebellious impulse? anarchic daydream?) I tend to get them occasionally - from reading everyone else's posts here, I can't help but wonder whether this is something that is limited to those who don't follow their impulses, don't act irrationally, or don't rebel against whatever.
I grew up really straight-laced, but I'll sometimes get the urge to do something just to see what reaction I get, or to see what it feels like; stuff that I wouldn't normally see. Perhaps if you're the kind of person who regularly pushes the limits of things, then you don't get "chaos cravings" as it's commonplace to you. Or perhaps people that cause mayhem are those that can't differentiate between just "destructively daydreaming" about dropping a glass bottle off the edge of a tall building, and actually doing so...
Hmm...
*strokes chin and contemplates whether it's possible to punch through a plasterboard wall... nah, better not...

By: weapons-grade pandemonium

weapons-grade pandemonium — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 15:45:40 -0800

Babelfish translates l'appel du vide as: The Call of the Vacuum
Interesting. That's vacuum as in space, or emptiness, and suggests being sucked into the crazy void. How about the Loony Hoover?

By: danb

danb — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 15:55:40 -0800

I hope Loony Hoover catches on, because I want to see the etymology in the OED entry.

By: Faint of Butt

Faint of Butt — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:05:52 -0800

What a fascinating thread. The feeling in question, I think, is related to brabant, a word coined by Douglas Adams and John Lloyd and meaning "very much inclined to see how far you can push someone."

It also makes me think of a college roommate who once told me that he always became afraid whenever he had to yawn in class, because he dreaded encountering an irresistible impulse to proclaim "BOOOORIIING!!!"

By: seanyboy

seanyboy — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:14:23 -0800

How about "Inhibited Tourette's"

I just made that up now.
You cocksuckers.

By: ob

ob — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:21:44 -0800

A great question indeed. Thank fuck I'm not the only one!

By: i_am_joe's_spleen

i_am_joe's_spleen — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:33:37 -0800

Another vote for "imp of the perverse."

Note to the person with the Austrian friend - in German "Geist" and related words are not just "ghost" but also "spirit", and adjectivally "mental" - eg "Geisteskrankheit" is "mental illness".

I would say "brainstorm" would be a better translation of "Geitesblitz" and actually that's not a bad description for a crazy impulse, either.

By: scarabic

scarabic — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:34:31 -0800

Yeah, the ""Tourette's Impulse" is not bad, although T's does not cover all the things you might feel an impulse to do. Jumping off a cliff has nothing to do with T's, for example.

It does cover, however, my own Crazy Sparkle, which is to walk around the office with my willy hanging out the front of my fly.

By: zoinks

zoinks — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 17:01:22 -0800

jamjam, you should read David Sedaris' Naked.
Anyway, I love this question and often get a similar feeling, but usually not so violent. All the name suggestions above are pretty good. "Looney Hoover" - HA!

By: Netzapper

Netzapper — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 17:04:12 -0800

I once said to a friend of mine that "fantasies of violence get me through my day".

I like "cathartic fantasy". The fantasy, by allowing me to at least momentarily and fictitiously experience ripping with my teeth into the arrogant bastard's veins, lets me continue to talk to that dude in the next office over. It's a release of the anger.

Yay! for impulse control, by the way.

By: Sticherbeast

Sticherbeast — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 17:11:38 -0800

l'appel du vide

In Phillippe Sarde's brilliant score to Roman Polanski's brilliant film The Tenant, there's a track titled "L'appel du Verre," which I assume must be a pun on this.

Way cool! Learn a new thing every day.

...

As for what to call it in this language, my vote goes to Crazy Sparkle. It captures the meaning and how the meaning feels. "Imp of the perverse" runs second.

By: ranglin

ranglin — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 17:20:09 -0800

I've never considered the term for this feeling, although I will admit to having it, so I've got no predefined word to volunteer.

If we are taking votes though, put me down for "bit by the crazy monkey", since I like the ring it has! :)

By: PercussivePaul

PercussivePaul — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 17:31:23 -0800

I think "the call of the void" might be a better translation than "the call of the vaccuum". Void as in oblivion, nothingness.

By: flabdablet

flabdablet — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 17:37:40 -0800

I don't know what it's called, but Hunter S. Thompson made a career out of documenting its effects.

By: LobsterMitten

LobsterMitten — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 18:07:22 -0800

There is an official psychology name for it. Someone in my residence in university had to do a research project and came around asking us all if we got these impulses etc. But I can't remember the name; I think it was a boring pair of words like "perverse impulse" or something similar, but can't remember exactly what, and can't find it in online psych glossaries.

By: sdn

sdn — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 18:32:05 -0800

brilliant question. i think everyone has these impulses. no need to be scared by having them -- as long as you don't do them.

By: Lockeownzj00

Lockeownzj00 — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 19:12:38 -0800

I totally second Crazy Sparkle. Come on, people--let's force a meme here! Use it in your everyday speech! Write about it! Tattoo it on your forehead!

It looks like we have a sniglet on our hands, and if we're really going to coin some neologism (and hope it sticks), it has to roll off the tongue and be fun to say. "The Stuff It Factor" and similar appropriations just don't work.

"Oh, man."
"What?"
"Well, I...just, walking across that balcony gave me that Crazy Sparkle!"
"Oh, I know. Scares the crap out of me though..."

By: Quietgal

Quietgal — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 19:49:57 -0800

I love "imp of the perverse", not only for its comparatively high-brow provenance, but also for its image of the little demon sitting on your shoulder, goading you to do Bad Things.

By: rob511

rob511 — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:34:00 -0800

If you want a single word, I'd go with id ... and it even has a calling card:

By: Goofyy

Goofyy — Fri, 22 Sep 2006 01:27:42 -0800

Funny, I don't remember when I last got such an impulse. I've had them since I can remember. I've acted on them quite a lot, but then, I was partying quite hardy in the early 70s, when oddball behavior was fashionable. I'm most likely to get such an impulse when dealing with someone/s who are too starched. It is almost never a violent urge, rather an urge to do something shocking or obscene or just totally unexpected.

I love 'Imp of the Perverse'. I've heard it before, but didn't know from whence it came. Crazy sparkle works, but 'sparkle' just doesn't seem quite there.

I find it quite fascinating to note: I used to get the wild idea (Wild Hare [up the ass] is another good term used for such things) of jumping off this or in front of that. I don't any longer, haven't in quite awhile.

By: Onanist

Onanist — Fri, 22 Sep 2006 01:43:47 -0800

Jumping into oncoming traffic, particularly large vehicles, is the most common impulse for me. The thin line between life and death is an interesting thing to contemplate. I think "anti-social impulse" best describes it, but I do like the looney hoover suggestion.

By: IndigoJones

IndigoJones — Fri, 22 Sep 2006 05:33:36 -0800

Frisson, perhaps.

By: silusGROK

silusGROK — Fri, 22 Sep 2006 07:14:29 -0800

I would say that "impish" ( given to naughty impulses ), is the word you're looking for — except its etymology implies that it only applies to the crazy sparkles that might apply to children.

By: Jess the Mess

Jess the Mess — Fri, 22 Sep 2006 12:18:48 -0800

It's a perverted impulse. It just doesn't sound right because when people use the word "pervert" or "perversion" they usually mean sexual deviation.

By: quite unimportant

quite unimportant — Fri, 22 Sep 2006 19:30:21 -0800

latent sociopathy