Comments on: Gay slang in the 60's

Question: Gay slang in the 60's

lobstah — Sun, 17 Sep 2006 09:06:24 -0800

Was Polari employed by gays in America during the 60's ? If not, what ?

My Google Fu has failed me in an attempt to find gay slang that might have been used during the mid 60's in America. According to Wikipedia, Polari fell out of favor during the latter part of that decade. Was it replaced by another underground dialect, or did it slowly evolve ? Bonus points for any list of slang used during that era.

By: Robert Angelo

Robert Angelo — Sun, 17 Sep 2006 10:14:53 -0800

I've never heard of Polari before, though granted, I was just a child in the 60s. The glossary on your link has a handful of words that would be familiar to gay men in the US (then and now), but most of them are quite foreign.

You might get tips from gay novels set in the period. Try Ethan Mordden's "How Long Has This Been Going On?" which ranges from the 40s trhough (I think) the 80s.

If you were here, you could visit one of the oldest gay bars in Texas, see old-style drag, and you could talk to men who would have been using gay slang then.

By: Robert Angelo

Robert Angelo — Sun, 17 Sep 2006 10:21:49 -0800

Come to think of it, I used to have a copy of this book, which might be helpful.

By: popcassady

popcassady — Sun, 17 Sep 2006 10:39:12 -0800

Just had a charper on the google..."An American Polari".

By: La Cieca

La Cieca — Sun, 17 Sep 2006 12:20:29 -0800

I was out in the early 70s and pretty active in the scene by the mid 70s. I don't remember anything like Polari. A lot of camp talk, a lot of tag lines from movies like "All About Eve," and of course some brutal dirty talk ("Ugh, I wouldn't fuck him with your dick"). But nothing like this level of slang.

By: languagehat

languagehat — Sun, 17 Sep 2006 12:32:52 -0800

you could talk to men who would have been using gay slang then.

An interesting experience, no doubt, but not very useful for this purpose. People's memory for what language was used at a particular period (as for most other things) is notoriously bad. You should trust only printed sources from the period.

By: lobstah

lobstah — Sun, 17 Sep 2006 13:03:43 -0800

Thanks for the responses so far. Perhaps I should check out some literature from that era to find precisely what I wanted. I guess I was hoping that there would be some sort of GayWiki out there for one stop shopping. I was more interested in the early 60's, when the gay scene was a little more underground. How did they refer to themselves ..as homosexuals?, friends of Dorothy ?...that sort of thing. Also, how did they refer to gay- friendly establishments, and was there an equivalent word for "Gaydar" in those days. I will check out " How Long Has This Been Going On" too. Thanks , and keep 'em coming if this gives you a better idea of what I was looking for.

By: joeclark

joeclark — Sun, 17 Sep 2006 16:02:44 -0800

It's almost surely British-specific.

By: rob511

rob511 — Sun, 17 Sep 2006 16:29:27 -0800

I suspect joeclark is right: this patois seems so UK-centric it's unlikely to have been widely adopted elsewhere (other than certain words like "basket" and "zhoosh"). Next Saturday, the BBC is airing a special entitled "Kenneth Williams: Fantabulosa!" (link includes Real Player clips), which should shed more light.

However, according to one, ummm, unimpeachable source, Polari has hopped the Pond and settled in at 1600.

By: mtonks

mtonks — Mon, 18 Sep 2006 00:51:23 -0800

Polari didn't so much evolve as devolve; many of the words still exist in the language without being identified as Polari. Examples : Naff, camp, slap. Many times where the meaning has warped slightly, or where the origins are in Cockney rhyming slang or from theatrical circles, but Polari is/was an influence.

Now, it's mostly known as the language Julian and Sandy used on Round The Horne (see Rob511's post and the BBC link). I don't think there was such a specifically "gay language" that replaced it (times changed; less need to hide; a less homogenous, close-knit community; etc).

In Polari, homosexuals referred to each other as omi-palones. Omi = male, Palone = female. Though, you could question someone's sexuality with the question, "is he [just] so?"

And, finally, to answer your original question : I have no idea if there was any use of Polari in the US. I'd guess that pockets of gay expats might have used it. You'd be more likely to find that gay communities in NY/SF/LA developed their own slang specific to time and place.