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		<title>Question: best visionary architecture/urbanism books</title>
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		<description>Could you suggest good visionary (realized or unrealized) architecture and urbanism books ? 


I&apos;d be interested in well illustrated books. I can afford a 50 to 150 dollars book on that topic.

I&apos;d like to find things like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.muar.ru/ve/2003/moscow/index_e.htm&quot;&gt;that&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 05:45:29 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The Jesse Helms</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/42629/best-visionary-architectureurbanism-books#655318</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://expositions.bnf.fr/boullee/indexpo.htm&quot;&gt;Etienne Louis Boulee&lt;/a&gt; drawings from the 18th century are amazing.&lt;br&gt;
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&lt;a href=&quot;http://architect.architecture.sk/carlo-scarpa-architect/carlo-scarpa-architect.php&quot;&gt;Carlos Scarpa&lt;/a&gt; sketched a lot of unrealized stuff. A visionary, yet some argue he really wasn&apos;t an architect.   &lt;br&gt;
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&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dataphone.se/~ms/speer/welcom2.htm&quot;&gt;Albert Speer&lt;/a&gt; was the Nazi architect of the unrealized Third Reich.</description>
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		<title>By: Framer</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/42629/best-visionary-architectureurbanism-books#655397</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;A Pattern Language: Towns, Buildings, Construction&lt;/em&gt;, by Christopher Alexander.&lt;br&gt;
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Anything by Jane Jacobs or Lewis Mumford (more urbanism than architecture, but certainly visionary).&lt;br&gt;
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Stuff about or by Paolo Soleri.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 07:15:09 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jeb</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/42629/best-visionary-architectureurbanism-books#655408</link>	
		<description>Have you ever read Delirious New York by...that guy?  The drawings are AWESOME!  There&apos;s one part about a notional skyscraper athletic club where dudes are eating oysters with boxing gloves on, and then there&apos;s like &quot;cover of an Ayn Rand novel&quot; style charcoal drawings that are like, &quot;what if we applied Hausmann&apos;s rules to 100 story buildings?&quot;  So there are these huge towers over shadowy 100 lane highways with bridges between the buildings.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 07:22:43 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: rsanheim</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/42629/best-visionary-architectureurbanism-books#655423</link>	
		<description>+1 A Pattern Language or Alexander&apos;s newer series, the Nature of Order.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 07:30:53 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: adamrice</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/42629/best-visionary-architectureurbanism-books#655433</link>	
		<description>+1 Pattern Language.&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.arcosanti.org/&quot;&gt;Arcosanti&lt;/a&gt; is certainly visionary, though it&apos;s a bit of a cracked vision. I&apos;m sure they&apos;ve got some books to sell.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 07:47:10 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: printdevil</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/42629/best-visionary-architectureurbanism-books#655504</link>	
		<description>Given your links, I would not second &quot;A Pattern Language&quot; -- that&apos;s more New Urbanism, and it looks like you want old-school urbanism.&lt;br&gt;
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I would second &quot;Delirious New York&quot; (Rem Koolhaas); S,M,L,XL is also good. (although the two of them would hit your budget fairly quickly)&lt;br&gt;
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Also, &quot;100 Mile City&quot; by Deijan Sudjic (textual, not photographic)&lt;br&gt;
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Photographic, there&apos;s &quot;Robert Polidori&apos;s Metropolis&quot; (by, surprisingly, Robert Polidori.) His other books, &quot;Havanna&quot; and &quot;Chernobyl&quot; are also good, but perhaps not as close of a match. Burtynsky is also a good bet (&quot;China&quot; in particular) Also coming to mind are Tom Pavia&apos;s &quot;Nightfall,&quot; and anything by Naoya Hatakeyama. For the photography books, check out &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.photoeye.com/&quot;&gt;Photoeye&lt;/a&gt; -- they are better at obscure catalogs and foreign press books than Amazon.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 08:40:54 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: misteraitch</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/42629/best-visionary-architectureurbanism-books#655509</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1568983999/metafilter-20/ref=nosim/&quot;&gt;Brodsky &amp;amp; Utkin: The Complete Works&lt;/a&gt;; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0810942933/metafilter-20/ref=nosim/&quot;&gt;A. G. Rizzoli : Architect of Magnificent Visions&lt;/a&gt;; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0940512351/metafilter-20/ref=nosim/&quot;&gt;Visionary Architects: Boul&#233;e, Ledoux, Lequeu&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br&gt;
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&lt;a href=&quot;http://gallica.bnf.fr/catalog?Fonds=Fonds_Lequeu&quot;&gt;Lequeu&lt;/a&gt; is a particularly interesting figure, but the one &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0262040867/metafilter-20/ref=nosim/&quot;&gt;book &lt;/a&gt;I&apos;ve actually read about him is expensive &amp;amp; not very well written.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 08:45:12 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: unlicensedarchitect</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/42629/best-visionary-architectureurbanism-books#655563</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youworkforthem.com/product.php?sku=P0137&quot;&gt;Lebbeus Woods / Radical Reconstruction&lt;/a&gt;, and I second the Brodsky &amp;amp; Utkin.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 09:20:50 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: wzcx</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/42629/best-visionary-architectureurbanism-books#655566</link>	
		<description>It&apos;s off the path of what you&apos;re really looking for, but you may enjoy some of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sydmead.com/&quot;&gt;Syd Mead&apos;s&lt;/a&gt; work as well.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 09:21:58 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: wzcx</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/42629/best-visionary-architectureurbanism-books#655568</link>	
		<description>Oh hell, I was actually thinking of L ebbeus Woods. Thank you, Unlicensedarchitect.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 09:22:59 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: unlicensedarchitect</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/42629/best-visionary-architectureurbanism-books#655573</link>	
		<description>Whoops, upon re-reading your question, I somehow overlooked the &apos;realized&apos; part. I just saw the words &apos;unrealized&apos; and &apos;well illustrated&apos; and thought of Woods and Utkin.&lt;br&gt;
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I just personally bought &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/8495951851/metafilter-20/ref=nosim/&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; book by &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mvrdv.nl/&quot;&gt;MVRDV&lt;/a&gt; that deals massive-scale architecture and urbanism-- some built, but mostly unbuilt. 1400 page book, with DVD.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 09:29:24 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: aladfar</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/42629/best-visionary-architectureurbanism-books#655608</link>	
		<description>Burnham and Root&apos;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.encyclopedia.chicagohistory.org/pages/10537.html&quot;&gt;Plan of Chicago&lt;/a&gt; is a classic work of unrealized urban planning. Not quite architecture, but I think you&apos;ll find a lot of overlap. A reproduction copy will run you about $50.&lt;br&gt;
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I often wonder how Chicago would have developed had the plan been implemented in its entirety. Sadly, pretty much all we have of it is a single, man-made island.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 10:05:48 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jtron</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/42629/best-visionary-architectureurbanism-books#655798</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bestwebbuys.com/The_Changing_of_the_Avant-Garde-ISBN_0870700049.html?isrc=b-search&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;The Changing of the Avant-Garde: Visionary Architectural Drawings from the Howard Gilman Collection&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt; has plenty of nice stuff in it, despite the goofy title.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 12:28:31 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: aquanaut</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/42629/best-visionary-architectureurbanism-books#655884</link>	
		<description>definitely &quot;delirious new york&quot;. i stumbled on it years ago, and it really stayed with me. the russian swim team part was inexplicably moving.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 13:25:48 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: aquanaut</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/42629/best-visionary-architectureurbanism-books#655890</link>	
		<description>... and it&apos;s on amazon.com starting at $17.50.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 13:26:25 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: vincentm</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/42629/best-visionary-architectureurbanism-books#656309</link>	
		<description>Thank you for all these answers !</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jul 2006 03:09:24 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: macdara</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/42629/best-visionary-architectureurbanism-books#656394</link>	
		<description>Sorry I&apos;m a bit late to the party; I had to dig out my notes on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.barbican.org.uk/artgallery/event-detail.asp?ID=4230&quot;&gt;Future City&lt;/a&gt; exhibition I visited last month.&lt;br&gt;
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The only books I seem to have noted related to the start of the exhibition. One that isn&apos;t on the list but close enough in subject is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/026204191X/metafilter-20/ref=nosim/&quot;&gt;The Activist Drawing: Retracing Situationist Architectures from Constant&apos;s New Babylon to Beyond&lt;/a&gt;, based on the utopianist visions and ideas of &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constant_Nieuwenhuys&quot;&gt;Constant Nieuwenhuys&lt;/a&gt; -- related are Simon Sadler&apos;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0262692252/metafilter-20/ref=nosim/&quot;&gt;The Situationist City&lt;/a&gt; and Mark Wigley&apos;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/9064503435/metafilter-20/ref=nosim/&quot;&gt;Constant&apos;s New Babylon&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br&gt;
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My impression of these is that they&apos;re more concerned with the &apos;idea&apos; of the city rather than the physical manifestation of buildings and place; in my notes I&apos;ve scribbled down &quot;psychogeography --&amp;gt; world wide web -- mental connections are hyperlinks (but new babylon is characterised by disorientation)&quot;, which may or may not be helpful to you.&lt;br&gt;
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I&apos;m sure other MeFites have attended so they might be able to fill in the blanks in my knowledge, and note some of the other books that are referred to/displayed at the show.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jul 2006 08:34:55 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: dragonsi55</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/42629/best-visionary-architectureurbanism-books#658001</link>	
		<description>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaudi</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jul 2006 08:44:38 -0800</pubDate>
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