Comments on: The Skulls, Pt. III

Question: The Skulls, Pt. III

bethm — Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:02:06 -0800

What secret society does a gold ring with black triangles-- 10 or so of them-- around its circumference represent? Two of my friends in college (Ivy League) wore these identical rings. When asked about it, they would say "A friend gave it to me," and then change the subject. Rumor had it that these were secret society rings. Any ideas?

By: bigmusic

bigmusic — Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:07:09 -0800

What college?

By: bethm

bethm — Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:08:37 -0800

Columbia

By: thanotopsis

thanotopsis — Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:29:01 -0800

From experience, I can tell you that referencing "a friend" and then changing the subject may have something to do with Alcoholics Anonymous. Google doesn't bring up anything on that particular turn of phrase.

One thing that bothers me, though: AA members typically have pins to denote length of sobriety, and I've never heard of anyone going to the trouble of making a ring. Plus, a college-aged person with a 10 year (if the triangles represent a year) ring would mean they started drinking at a particularly early age, right?

Eh, it's a shot in the dark.

By: voidcontext

voidcontext — Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:34:28 -0800

Did they possibly give them to each other? Either out of friendship or as a sign of a secret romantic fling?

I'm sure you've thought about it and dismissed the possibility - just covering all bases here.

By: acoutu

acoutu — Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:35:10 -0800

There are lots of triangles (including black triangles on rings) in Masonic imagery.

By: essexjan

essexjan — Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:48:11 -0800

Was it something like this? If so, it's an AA ring.

By: any major dude

any major dude — Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:54:43 -0800

slightly off topic. Isn't June 28th the annual Skull and Bones "secret" meeting. Be curious to know if George Bush and John Kerry have any public appearances that day.

By: ZenMasterThis

ZenMasterThis — Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:57:43 -0800

There are lots of triangles (including black triangles on rings) in Masonic imagery.

Acacia Fraternity is a Greek fraternity descended from Freemasonry, but is NOT a secret society. One of our symbols is a 3-4-5 triangle. Our colors are black and gold; in fact, I have a gold-on-black 3-4-5 triangle on my class ring.

By: mattbucher

mattbucher — Thu, 22 Jun 2006 11:25:10 -0800

By: desuetude

desuetude — Thu, 22 Jun 2006 11:56:50 -0800

Are either of them gay? Traditionally the triangle is pink, but I've seen more upscale jewelry that's meant to be a bit more subtle.

By: Dantien

Dantien — Thu, 22 Jun 2006 12:24:49 -0800

ZMT, old Acacia member here too. Boy, nothing like being grilled over the Pythagorean theorem after 5 days of no sleep eh?

Of course, I'm curious as to the Masons myself. Never really met one, but have been reading about them for ages. how do you get in contact with the masons? How does one become a member? Do I need a secret pass phrase like "Klaatu barada nikto?"

By: needs more cowbell

needs more cowbell — Thu, 22 Jun 2006 12:46:38 -0800

desuetude, a black triangle has some connotations of lesbian or feminist pride as opposed to the pink triangle's association with more general gay pride. (All have roots in the system of Nazi concentration camp badges.) I doubt that's the case with the ring mentioned, though.

By: eurasian

eurasian — Thu, 22 Jun 2006 13:09:31 -0800

Dantien : I'm pretty sure there are Free Mason Lodges in every major metropolitan city. Just go in and apply, like the Elks, I'd imagine. Seriously, next time you are in a major city, keep your eye out for a freemason lodge. It's like the Blue Car theory.

I also find them in the middle of nowhere somwhat small towns as well. It's creepifying!

By: mattbucher

mattbucher — Thu, 22 Jun 2006 13:17:50 -0800

After doing a google image search on gold ring triangles, I think the likeliest source is either a gay pride ring or an AA ring.

Dantien, it might be a bit of a derail, but to become a Mason, you must seek out membership. As Masons, we do not proselytize or recruit. If you don't personally know someone who is a member of the lodge, look in your phone book under fraternal organizations and call them up (you might see a lodge name and number followed by AF & AM or F & AM and this stands for "Ancient Free and Accepted Masons"). Tell whoever answers the phone that you are interested in becoming a Mason and they will take it from there. There is no secret password to know before you join. If you have more questions, my email is in my profile.

By: limeonaire

limeonaire — Thu, 22 Jun 2006 13:31:36 -0800

Sorry if this continues the derail—but is there an adult society like the Masons out there that women can join?

(If it's too much of a derail, go ahead and delete it—I'll just post it as my AskMefi question next week.)

By: mattbucher

mattbucher — Thu, 22 Jun 2006 13:36:44 -0800

Order of the Easter Star.
Lots of others, but that's the biggest one.
Also, Amaranth.

By: ubersturm

ubersturm — Thu, 22 Jun 2006 13:39:46 -0800

Anyone who's vaguely related to a Mason can join the Order of the Eastern Star. [I used to pass an Eastern Star cemetary on my way to school.] The International Order of Job's Daughters seems to be for young women who're related to Masons, while the International Order of the Rainbow for Girls is another young women's group [although it doesn't seem to require that you be related to a Mason.] If you've been a membeer of either of those, you can become a member of the Order of the Eastern Star.

By: mds35

mds35 — Thu, 22 Jun 2006 13:43:05 -0800

bethm, did your friends seem to be of the CV ilk?

Everyone else, please stop this derail. I'm dying to know how this one turns out.

By: googlebombed

googlebombed — Thu, 22 Jun 2006 14:05:02 -0800

If you've been a membeer of either of those, you can become a member of the Order of the Eastern Star.

In order for a woman to become a member of the OES, she must have a paternal connection to the Masons; grandfather, father, brother, husband and possibly a son. I was able to join Star because my grandfather is a Mason in good standing. When you apply to join, they will ask you if a) you believe in a supreme being and b) what your Masonic connection is. They will "investigate" to verify that that particular Mason was/is a member in good standing before voting on your membership. If they can't verify that then they will decline your application.

By: mattbucher

mattbucher — Thu, 22 Jun 2006 14:34:37 -0800

When asked about it, they would say "A friend gave it to me,"

Occam's Razor answer: maybe a friend gave them the ring and they don't know anything about it. Or maybe they are cyborg lesbian spies.

By: ubersturm

ubersturm — Thu, 22 Jun 2006 15:09:07 -0800

googlebombed, according to their webpage, the requirements are a little broader. That's where I was getting my information. < /derail>

By: desuetude

desuetude — Thu, 22 Jun 2006 15:56:33 -0800

needs more cowbell: I know about black vs pink for pride triangles. (Bisexual feminist here, actually.) Black is used to highlight the detail in jewelry, though. And back when I sold jewelry, I used to sell rings that sound a lot like the ones described to couples looking for something a bit less...loud...than much of what dominates the Pride Jewelry market. (With the rhinestones and the vermeil and the CZs)

By: spaceman_spiff

spaceman_spiff — Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:23:04 -0800

Googlebombed: I thought the OES and Freemasons no longer required that you believe in a supreme being?

By: Idcoytco

Idcoytco — Thu, 22 Jun 2006 17:01:47 -0800

Limeonaire, if you mean is there an enjoyable club for professional women, then take a look at the Soroptimists.

"Soroptimist is an international volunteer organization for business and professional women who work to improve the lives of women and girls, in local communities and throughout the world." http://www.soroptimist.org

By: limeonaire

limeonaire — Thu, 22 Jun 2006 18:22:10 -0800

Thanks for the information, guys.

[/derail]

As for the ring question—bethm, are these two friends of the same gender?

By: ZenMasterThis

ZenMasterThis — Thu, 22 Jun 2006 18:52:21 -0800

Wow, I've heard of Acacia, but not met a member before (I am a Mason and a DeMolay). Nice to meet you, ZenMaster.

There is a common Scottish Rite Masonic ring called the 14th Degree ring, but it only has one triangle on it (ditto the 33rd degree ring).

Hi there mattbucher; nice to meet you too. Note that the Acacia Fraternity triangle is not equilateral like the 14th and 33rd degree ring, but in 3-4-5 proportions, as in the concrete sign on the fron lawn of my old frat house:

ZMT, old Acacia member here too. Boy, nothing like being grilled over the Pythagorean theorem after 5 days of no sleep eh?

Dantien: I'm sure I know not of what you speak. ;)

By: googlebombed

googlebombed — Thu, 22 Jun 2006 19:49:39 -0800

Googlebombed: I thought the OES and Freemasons no longer required that you believe in a supreme being?

The Chapter of OES I belong to still has that on their form that you have to sign when you want to become a member. These come from General Grand Chapter. They have opened it up so that even if you aren't Christian you can still join but everything is still taken from the Bible and the prayers are still Christian. I haven't heard anything about them removing the supreme being element from the requirements as I don't believe there would be much of an OES left if they did.

By: zackdog

zackdog — Fri, 23 Jun 2006 02:01:52 -0800

Those are joke batman and robin rings. They are having you on. Don't go for it.

By: bethm

bethm — Fri, 23 Jun 2006 05:37:53 -0800

Clever ideas all. To answer the obvious question... they are of the same gender (male) but both are involved in heterosexual relationships. I wonder if they tell their girlfriends any more than they tell me!

And if you really want to be creeped out, Masonic housing at UT Austin.