Comments on: HTML editor

Question: HTML editor

stavrosthewonderchicken — Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:01:55 -0800

What's the best code-centric, css-aware HTML editor, or failing that, what's your favorite, and why? [more inside]

I've never been fond of WYSIWYG HTML editors, and although I've tried Dreamweaver trials every time there was a new rev released, it never did it for me.

I'm fond of Topstyle at the moment, and I end up using Notepad a lot of the time (I know there would have been at least one joker to pop up with "Notepad!" if I didn't mention that). I've tried Homesite, and didn't like the interface. Are there any other good ones out there that I might not have seen yet?

By: rhyax

rhyax — Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:10:48 -0800

BBEdit! best evar!

By: xyzzy

xyzzy — Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:16:46 -0800

TopStyle is my favorite. My supplemental editor is NoteTab Pro.

By: poopy

poopy — Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:50:07 -0800

homesite. i live and breathe it :)

By: dobbs

dobbs — Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:59:28 -0800

I've used both homesite and bbedit extensively and homesite is superior but unavailable for mac so i'm stuck with bbedit. I assume you're on PC? There's also Hot Dog Pro, though I can't vouch for it and tucows lists these.

By: j.edwards

j.edwards — Fri, 19 Dec 2003 00:05:10 -0800

I've been using TextPad for awhile, but is want HTML shortcuts, et cetera, HTML-kit is awesome.

By: mathowie

mathowie — Fri, 19 Dec 2003 00:36:52 -0800

stavros, you have to give homesite a chance, or at the very least, simply hang out with a homesite user for a few minutes to see how they work. It took me a while to get into it, but now I won't drop it from my cold dead hands.

Actually, it's a good excercise for any software, even software you know -- find an expert in it and ask them to describe how and why they set up their environment just so, and how they typically use it to do work.

By: stavrosthewonderchicken

stavrosthewonderchicken — Fri, 19 Dec 2003 01:36:11 -0800

That's good advice, Matt, but the only people I could potentially actually ask about it 'round these parts, if I could find any, wouldn't be able to tell me about it in English. D'oh!

Maybe I'll give Homesite another bash...it was written by Nick Bradbury, the same person who did Topstyle (and the very snazzy Feeddemon), wasn't it?

By: armoured-ant

armoured-ant — Fri, 19 Dec 2003 01:46:49 -0800

I *definately* prefer EditPlus 2.

No, really. Try it.

By: mathowie

mathowie — Fri, 19 Dec 2003 01:49:41 -0800

it was written by Nick Bradbury, the same person who did Topstyle (and the very snazzy Feeddemon), wasn't it?

Yep, Nick wrote them all. The thing that keeps homesite a killer app for me is all the autocomplete and quick right-click features. I write code pretty much by hand, but being able to right click and edit 5 properties of an element saves a ton of time. No matter how hard I try, I can't tweak out BBEdit on my mac to work half as quickly with HTML files. Plus all the custom button stuff in Homesitemeans I can have keystroke and button shortcuts to all the repetitive code I don't have to enter by hand. Homesite saves me tons of time over other text editors.

By: twine42

twine42 — Fri, 19 Dec 2003 02:00:26 -0800

Dreamweaver is good for sorting out tables if you have a boss who seems intent on insane layouts.

For everything else I used to use Homesite, but it was getting too slow on my Computer. I've just switched to Edit Plus and think it's the dogs danglies.

"I liked it so much I bought copies for the whole company..."

By: normy

normy — Fri, 19 Dec 2003 02:04:43 -0800

Homesite if it's purely for client-side, but recently, more often than not, it's Visual Studio for both client and server-side (yeah, I'm one of those MS aberrees ...burn him!). Technobitching aside, you've got to hand it to MS - their IDEs are their greatest strength, in my opinion.

But here's a supplimentary question, if I may: If I'm knocking something out in a hurry as a prototype, I'll usually use Homesite, version 4, specifically, just because it's what I've got. I see they're up to 5.5 now. Anything amazing in the newer version that makes it a compelling upgrade?

By: seanyboy

seanyboy — Fri, 19 Dec 2003 02:47:21 -0800

preHTML looks interesting. It's a client-side editor / preprocessor. Not much by way of on-screen formatting, but if you need generic menus across a site, and you don't want to use php / asp, it may be what you're looking for.

By: jack_mo

jack_mo — Fri, 19 Dec 2003 02:55:41 -0800

I second the nomination of BBEdit, but I've been using SubEthaEdit a bit recently too, and find its relative lack of features seem to make me work a lot quicker, on little projects anyway. And, of course, it has all those collaborative editing features built in for when you get stuck and need a hand.

By: milov

milov — Fri, 19 Dec 2003 03:17:41 -0800

I've been using Metapad for years; basically an improved version of Notepad. No syntax highlighting though, if you need that sort of thing.

By: thebabelfish

thebabelfish — Fri, 19 Dec 2003 03:59:38 -0800

As an editor, I find NEdit is great.

By: Katemonkey

Katemonkey — Fri, 19 Dec 2003 04:04:44 -0800

I have a tendency to use SimpleText for anything under 35k and then HTML Creator for anything bigger.

I do use Dreamweaver on occasion, but it irks me with its CSS-usage. It's only really great if you have a heck of a lot of tables to put in.

By: i_am_joe's_spleen

i_am_joe's_spleen — Fri, 19 Dec 2003 04:16:11 -0800

BBedit does not suck. It is the Lord's own text editor. It has built in macros for HTML and CSS, and you can write your own if the ones that ship with it aren't enough. I love this editor. Of course, you need a Mac for it.

Sans Mac, I prefer a good text editor. UltraEdit and TextPad are both good if you're stuck in Windowsland.

I haven't used Homesite, but from what people have written here I might give it a go - my next job is going to force me back to a Windows desktop again.

By: yerfatma

yerfatma — Fri, 19 Dec 2003 04:20:44 -0800

Anything amazing in the newer version that makes it a compelling upgrade?

Dunno about 5.5, but 5.0 does have a few new features. Which aren't coming to mind quickly. Basically, the one thing I love about it over 4.x is there are now two folder panes in the left-hand panel. Doesn't seem like much, but if you work on multiple servers or drives, it makes things faster. I imagine some of the XHTML support is better, but I never really noticed.

Consider this another vote for HomeSite. I work in it at least 8 hours a day and can't work without it now. Heck, I even dropped $99 for my own version at home. I tried to pimp out HTML Kit to get the same feature set, but never could.

By: yerfatma

yerfatma — Fri, 19 Dec 2003 04:24:28 -0800

i_am_joe's_spleen, you can write your own macros in HomeSite using JavaScript. I have it so damn automated my hands actually form the button press combos when I talk to other developers about inserting a snippet of code.

Re: the time of my last post: timezone preference doesn't seem to apply to AskMeFi and to that I say, "Duuude."

By: y6y6y6

y6y6y6 — Fri, 19 Dec 2003 05:02:55 -0800

I started coding everything in notepad. Then learned to really hate Cafe during my Java days. Loved Hot Dog during the dot com ramp up. Lots of poking at Visual Studio now and then.

But for many years now I've been joined at the hip to Homesite. I'd be interested in what you don't like about it. It does so much and is so customizable that it seems like a no-brainer to me. Being able to customize the interface is one of the strong points. And of course TopStyle is bundle in.

I don't know of a compelling reason to move from version 4 to 5.5. But I did have some ftp problems that I couldn't fix without the upgrade.

By: cheaily

cheaily — Fri, 19 Dec 2003 05:32:46 -0800

Count me in as another vote for Homesite, although I had to use Dreamweaver MX at my previous job, and I use that in Code mode a heck of a lot nowadays, too.

By: majick

majick — Fri, 19 Dec 2003 05:54:18 -0800

I'm perfectly happy with vim, which offers a lot of customizations and extensions for handling various file types, but vi-like editors have been known to turn some people off.

By: majick

majick — Fri, 19 Dec 2003 05:57:58 -0800

Oh! I also seem to remember playing with some HTML and XML tools while fooling around with Eclipse, but that was a while ago. I can't imagine it wouldn't have a decent set of HTML tools.

By: staggernation

staggernation — Fri, 19 Dec 2003 06:14:34 -0800

I love BBEdit (and others do too), but when I've had to work on a Windows machine in the past I loved Homesite too.

For me, the single most important feature when working with files hosted on remote servers (which is pretty much always) is good FTP support: the ability to open files from a server directly into the editor, and when you hit Save, they get re-uploaded transparently. If anyone's still using the "save and drag" approach to editing remote files, you should consider stopping that.

By: DrJohnEvans

DrJohnEvans — Fri, 19 Dec 2003 06:20:22 -0800

Working under Windows, I use EmEditor, which has gorgeous syntax highlighting, and also highlights inline CSS (which is a nice touch). When working under Linux, it's NEdit all the way.

By: staggernation

staggernation — Fri, 19 Dec 2003 06:21:15 -0800

I write code pretty much by hand, but being able to right click and edit 5 properties of an element saves a ton of time. No matter how hard I try, I can't tweak out BBEdit on my mac to work half as quickly with HTML files.

Matt, do you have a two-button mouse on your Mac? Just curious.

By: Mick

Mick — Fri, 19 Dec 2003 07:27:17 -0800

I was a big homesite fan but now that I've switched over to TopStyle Pro I will never go back to that thing.

By: kirkaracha

kirkaracha — Fri, 19 Dec 2003 07:39:51 -0800

I love BBEdit and like HomeSite quite a bit. Dreamweaver MX is good, but it doesn't handle CSS-positioned layouts very well. Dreamweaver MX 2004 is supposed to be better with CSS. Oh, and Dreamweaver's interface is XML and JavaScript, so you can customize it.

By: bshort

bshort — Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:56:42 -0800

If it's not emacs, it's crap :)

Seriously, though. Never having to move my hands from the home row thoroughly rocks.

By: jess

jess — Fri, 19 Dec 2003 09:07:11 -0800

Well, y'all got me curious, but upon a quick glance it doesn't look like Homesite is really suited for PHP development. Mark up another vote for EditPlus2, the little text editor that could!

By: Mossy

Mossy — Fri, 19 Dec 2003 09:55:51 -0800

I personally use Crimson Editor for just about everything. Lightweight and tweakable to your hearts content. Fab.

By: yerfatma

yerfatma — Fri, 19 Dec 2003 09:59:41 -0800

HomeSite works just fine for PHP. There's syntax highlighting. Not much else though and no tag insight, but if you look around, someone probably has written a plug-in.

And if you find it, let me know.

By: cairnish

cairnish — Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:02:18 -0800

No love for UltraEdit? I ignored it the first twelve times I went searching for a better editor because I couldn't get past the product pages and it looked too freaking geeky for a dolt like me to set up. Somehow I screwed up my courage to try it and find I like it quite a bit. Especially after I added a button to force UNIX line endings.

By: cairnish

cairnish — Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:10:43 -0800

Sub-question if I may. For the products that include integrated FTP, are any of them secure (SFTP)?

By: kirkaracha

kirkaracha — Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:29:14 -0800

Daring Fireball has tips on PHP Syntax Checking in BBEdit.

By: staggernation

staggernation — Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:33:01 -0800

cairnish, BBEdit 7.1 does SFTP.

On Windows, you might try a bridge.

By: cairnish

cairnish — Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:45:33 -0800

I didn't know about bridges - thanks. I guess I currently use sort of a variation on a bridge: filezilla as an sftp client, with ultra-edit specified as its default editor.

By: Voivod

Voivod — Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:26:02 -0800

vim, because it was the editor I used when first learning to build webpages, and it lets be work at the level I genuinely enjoy being at when hacking on HTML. I don't need no steeenkin mouse. :wq

By: arto

arto — Sat, 20 Dec 2003 04:22:57 -0800

Just a quick followup to Mossy's recommendation of Crimson: It tends to barf on filenames with spaces in the path: trying to open a file called "C:\Program Files\Rockstar Games\GTA Vice City\Handling.cfg" will result in an error, empty tabs for each of "Program" "Files" "Rockstar" etc., and half the time won't actually load the file. Not a problem if you don't use spaces in your paths, but it seems a bit daft for a program designed for recent Windows versions.

On the other hand, it has got some cool interface ideas. In particular, it will remember which files you have loaded in which tab, and reload them again each time you start the program--super handy for multi-file projects.

By: Mossy

Mossy — Mon, 22 Dec 2003 14:20:28 -0800

Weird. Works fine on the latest version.