Comments on: Tax Filter: Why would the fact that I paid interest on student loans last year mean I owe the IRS more money?

Question: Tax Filter: Why would the fact that I paid interest on student loans last year mean I owe the IRS more money?

abbyladybug — Sat, 25 Mar 2006 14:47:49 -0800

Tax Filter: Why would the fact that I paid interest on student loans last year mean I owe the IRS more money? I was doing my taxes on TurboTax today, and I have two 1098-E forms which say that I paid a total of $1,700 dollars in interest last year on student loans. This is the first year I'm paying on loans rather than taking them out, so I'm not sure how it works. My little counter at the top of the screen was saying I was getting an $800 refund until I entered that amount. After that, it said I would owe the IRS $450 this year. When it said I might be able to take the $1,700 as a deduction, that seemed like a good thing... so why do I owe now when before, I didn't? I don't get it.

By: 45moore45

45moore45 — Sat, 25 Mar 2006 15:04:40 -0800

Did you double check and make sure you were in the deduction area? Sounds like it somehow was calculated as income, possibly 1099 income.

By: mdevore

mdevore — Sat, 25 Mar 2006 15:08:42 -0800

Do you meet the exemption requirements? Are you NOT married filing separately? You can't claim the exemption if you are married filing separately according to IRS Publication 970.

If you are single, head of household, or widow(er), you can claim the full student loan interest deduction if your adjusted gross income is less than $50,000, a lesser deduction if AGI is less than $65,000, and no deduction above that. If you are married filing jointly, the full deduction cutoff is $105,00, and $135,00 for no deduction.

This is all according to Publication 970 for 2005 tax year. I am not an accountant (although I went to one a couple days ago to compute my own depressingly high income tax hit).

By: mdevore

mdevore — Sat, 25 Mar 2006 15:10:34 -0800

Michael, you idiot. Where I said exemption, replace with deduction.

By: jenovus

jenovus — Sat, 25 Mar 2006 15:35:35 -0800

Yeah, it does sound like you entered that as interest received rather than paid.

By: nakedcodemonkey

nakedcodemonkey — Sat, 25 Mar 2006 15:45:19 -0800

$1250 tax on $1700 income? I don't think that putting the interest in the wrong column would be enough to do this.

Sounds like there's more than one data entry error here.

By: abbyladybug

abbyladybug — Sat, 25 Mar 2006 15:46:37 -0800

That's what I thought, but I checked it, and I think it was the right place. So what you're saying is that t should definitely help me that I paid interest, not hurt me, right?!

Blood from a turnip, I'm telling you!

By: abbyladybug

abbyladybug — Sat, 25 Mar 2006 15:57:20 -0800

Didn't see the codemonkey post. I will recheck all of it again. There must be more wrong. Usually, I just input all the forms I've received, and it all works. This time it didn't happen that way.

By: ilsa

ilsa — Sat, 25 Mar 2006 16:00:33 -0800

Ok, I'm going way out on a limb here.

Another odd issue that might cause your problem is AMT, the alternative minimum tax. If you make enough money, or have certain kinds of income, deductions phase out and phase in draconian measure designed to keep millionaires from paying nothing in taxes kick in. Not your situation? Yeah, I kinda thought that seemed unlikely.

If you can't find some strange data entry error, check for TurboTax updates. There is the very very small chance there is a calculation error in the program, and if there is they are surely hearing holy heck about it at Intuit.

By: bshort

bshort — Sat, 25 Mar 2006 16:09:10 -0800

Were you itemizing or were you taking the standard deduction? Is the student loan interest an itemizable deduction or is it automatic?

By: Snerd

Snerd — Sat, 25 Mar 2006 16:33:01 -0800

AbbyLB, please tell us on which form, and line number, the $1,700 is being reported by TurboTax?

By: Lynsey

Lynsey — Sat, 25 Mar 2006 23:10:05 -0800

I have found that doing our taxes online is sometimes not quite accurate. To check our returns (I do my husband's and mine, also our daughter's for her), I downloaded and printed a form 1040 for each, and filled them out by hand, in pencil, doing the calculations as if I were going to file a paper form. Once I was able to see what was actually going on, line by line, I was able to input the correct data online and ended up with a very sweet refund, instead of owing the IRS. This is the first year our daughter started paying back her student loans and she got a substantial refund, based on the student loan interest deduction. so I felt it was really worth my time to go through the 1040 manually first. Good luck, abbylb!

By: TeamBilly

TeamBilly — Mon, 27 Mar 2006 10:19:33 -0800

FYI - TurboTax is only able to do SOME of the calculations on the fly...it doesn't actually come up with an accurate number in the window until everything has actually been filled out, both deductions and income. While I was doing mine, it was damned scary until it finally finished calculating all of my deductions - wait until you've finished entering ALL of the data before you let panic set in.