Comments on: Which famous sci-fi author wrote the worst book he could on a bet?

Question: Which famous sci-fi author wrote the worst book he could on a bet?

pornucopia — Tue, 21 Mar 2006 07:49:24 -0800

Which famous sci-fi author bet another author that if he wrote the worst book he could, it would become a hit? Long ago, I read a science fiction novel (don't recall which one), where, in the foreword (or afterword), the author told the following story:

Two famous science fiction authors were arguing about just how awful the public's taste was. One author proposed a bet: He would write the cheesiest, most cliched book he could possibly write, and it would become a hit. He wrote such a book, and it became such a big hit that the public demanded several sequels.

The author telling the story said that he wouldn't print the names of these authors, but that it was a very well-known story, and you could ask around at any sci fi convention to get the names. It's been almost 20 years and I still haven't been to a sci fi convention. Does anyone know any more about this story? I'm starting to wonder if it's a trick played on conventiongoers or something.

By: macadamiaranch

macadamiaranch — Tue, 21 Mar 2006 07:52:36 -0800

Wasn't it L. Ron Hubbard and Robert Heinlein?

By: nebulawindphone

nebulawindphone — Tue, 21 Mar 2006 07:53:45 -0800

I heard a different version of the Hubbard story, in which he founded Scientology on a bet as to the gullibility of the general public.

Not sure if either version's true. Just saying.

By: oh pollo!

oh pollo! — Tue, 21 Mar 2006 07:58:01 -0800

The Scientology bet is true. Harlan Ellison was there along with about 4 other sci fi writers. To get back on topic I don't think it can be Hubbard - he only knew how to wite cheesy cliches.

By: mrbill

mrbill — Tue, 21 Mar 2006 08:02:04 -0800

It must have been the Mission Earth series by Hubbard. I read it in junior high and the only thing I remember was an alien who had a fetish for S&M sessions involving a cheese grater and alcohol poured into the wounds.

By: pornucopia

pornucopia — Tue, 21 Mar 2006 08:18:02 -0800

Hey, thanks for all the answers so far. Can we refrain from simply listing all the cheesy stories we know? I'd like to hear from people who specifically know about this alleged bet between two authors.

By: A189Nut

A189Nut — Tue, 21 Mar 2006 08:25:56 -0800

It's surely Philip Jose Farmer's "Venus on the Half Shell", a novel written as if by the author Kilgore Trout, identified by Kurt Vonnegut in several of his novels as the worst (and best) SF author in the world

By: meehawl

meehawl — Tue, 21 Mar 2006 08:30:02 -0800

A quick Google got this:

Science Fiction Writers Sting PublishAmerica With "Worst Book Possible"

By: mrmojoflying

mrmojoflying — Tue, 21 Mar 2006 08:40:43 -0800

L. Ron Hubbard and Ray Bradbury was the urban legend that I've heard most often -- and the bet was that he could create a religion and people would believe.

By: Eldritch

Eldritch — Tue, 21 Mar 2006 08:41:14 -0800

I don't know the authors involved, but the foreward in question is from one of Philip Jose Farmer's Callahan books, also reprinted in the omnibus edition "The Callahan Chronicals."

One reviewer on the Amazon page for Chronicals was utterly convinced that Callahan's Crosstime Saloon was the work referenced therein:

Somewhere in the afterword of "The Callahan Chronicals," Robinson alludes to an SF writer who wrote a series of stories that were deliberately bad, I suppose as a sort of commentary on the literary standards of the public. The series proved popular. After reading this note, I wondered for a few days what the series could be. Then, duh, it struck me. Robinson is, of course, referring to the stories in this very book. It's a reasonable joke, but not one I was happy to pay for.

I'm pretty sure that reviewer is wrong, but it's one opinion.

By: pornucopia

pornucopia — Tue, 21 Mar 2006 08:51:18 -0800

Eldritch, that is indeed the series that I remember reading so long ago. Excellent. (by Spider Robinson, not Phillip Jose Farmer)

By: pornucopia

pornucopia — Tue, 21 Mar 2006 08:51:42 -0800

So yeah, I'm starting to wonder if the story was just invented by Robinson.

By: flipper

flipper — Tue, 21 Mar 2006 09:17:42 -0800

I'm wondering if this is a combination of the "Elron and (someone) made a bet about religion" anecdote and the theory that Heinlein's Number of the Beast is intentionally bad.

An argument against this being the book in question is the fact that no sequels were written for it.

By: languagehat

languagehat — Tue, 21 Mar 2006 09:42:52 -0800

The Scientology bet is true. Harlan Ellison was there along with about 4 other sci fi writers.

Scientology was started in 1952, when Ellison was 17 or 18. It was based on Dianetics, which was started in 1950, when Ellison was 15. Not saying he couldn't have been there, wherever "there" was, but it sounds unlikely to me.

Harlan Ellison is in his seventies! My mind boggles.

By: Prospero

Prospero — Tue, 21 Mar 2006 09:57:56 -0800

I remember the Scientology story as occuring on a cruise ship, with Arthur C. Clarke as a witness to the bet. That story is definitely in "urban legend" territory, though.

By: PurplePorpoise

PurplePorpoise — Tue, 21 Mar 2006 10:52:53 -0800

Yeah, I remember the bet thing but I have no idea who the authors involved were.

Re: Scientology

To summarize: one the one hand, the Church has won lawsuits about this, details unknown. On the other hand, we have five witnesses: Neison Himmel, Sam Merwin, Sam Moskowitz, Theodore Sturgeon, and Lloyd Arthur Eshbach. There is some confusion and doubt about one of the five (Sam Moskowitz): two others are reported via Russel Miller: one is reported via Mike Jittlov: one reported in his own book. All five witnesses seem to be reporting about different instances.

Conclusion: I really don't see how they could all be wrong.

By: steadystate

steadystate — Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:00:43 -0800

I remember this story, but alas, not the details. My recollection is that it was actually a fantasy/barbarian series... either Conan (by Edgar Rice Burroughs) or Gor (John Norman).

By: johngoren

johngoren — Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:15:38 -0800

There was a similar story behind the writing of the movie Knock Off...

By: 445supermag

445supermag — Tue, 21 Mar 2006 12:37:19 -0800

While there may be some interesting stuff in this thread, the misattributions are like fingernails on the chalkboard. Maybe this thread could be a verbal "name what's wrong with this picture". Here's my addition: maybe it was "Caves of Steel" by Arthur C. Clark or "The Worm Ouroborous" by Mervyn Peake or "The Merman's Children" by Robert Silverberg. Who knew disinformation could be so much fun?

By: adamrice

adamrice — Tue, 21 Mar 2006 12:42:27 -0800

Damn. I remember reading, years ago, a short story by Fritz Lieber that was a satire on the CoS. Can't remember the title of that story, or more details, but apparently Lieber wrote it to call out Hubbard for his sham religion, the idea being that Lieber knew it was all a put-on. So perhaps he was in this circle, somehow.

By: dirtynumbangelboy

dirtynumbangelboy — Tue, 21 Mar 2006 13:22:38 -0800

Yeah, that was Spider Robinson writing it. My assumption was always that it was either Piers Anthony (the excrable Xanth series), or Terry pratchett (Discworld), though I think the latter is too late.

By: pullayup

pullayup — Tue, 21 Mar 2006 13:32:12 -0800

ehrm, wasn't The Worm Ouroboros by ERR Eddison? Mervyn Peake died of Parkinson's disease & sleeping sickness after writing the Gormenghast trilogy and not much (nothing?) else.

By: pullayup

pullayup — Tue, 21 Mar 2006 13:32:54 -0800

Ehrm, crap, I didn't read your post, sorry.

By: KRS

KRS — Tue, 21 Mar 2006 13:52:32 -0800

Terry Southern wrote Candy on a bet that the worst possible sex novel could become a best-seller (which it did).

A group of writers contributed chapters (without reading the other writers' work) to create Naked Came the Stranger, another sex novel that also became a best-seller, even though the word was out before it was published.

By: Goofyy

Goofyy — Wed, 22 Mar 2006 01:21:26 -0800

flipper: Number of the Beast has many sequels. Except for Job and Friday, all Heinlein's last works were sequels to Beast, which was a sequel especially to the Lazarus Long books, as well as Heinlein's general body of work.

Funny, I never considered it a terrible book, but I just accepted it as a celebration of Heinlein's characters. I'll have to re-read with that story about it's being a manual to write, in mind. (my first edition is dogeared though).

By: steadystate

steadystate — Wed, 22 Mar 2006 10:21:49 -0800

My bad. The Conan books were actually written by Robert E. Howard (of course).