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		<title>Question: What fonts should we use in our newspaper design?</title>
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		<description>What fonts should we use in our newspaper design? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; I&apos;m working on a template for an alt-weekly newspaper, and am trying to decide on a typeface that is compact but readable for the body text, and a compact and legible font for the events listings. (We&apos;ve decided on HelveticaNeue for the headlines.)&lt;br&gt;
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We want to put as much as we can on a page without making it hard to read. What would be some great fonts, and what would be the minimum sizes?&lt;br&gt;
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&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.papress.com/thinkingwithtype/resources/type_advice.htm&quot;&gt;Ellen Lupton&lt;/a&gt;&apos;s quote that &quot;Density is the new white space,&quot; jives with our lack of money. :)</description>
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		<title>By: MegoSteve</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/34145/What-fonts-should-we-use-in-our-newspaper-design#532718</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/linotype/itc-garamond/book-condensed/&quot;&gt;ITC Garamond Book Condensed&lt;/a&gt;?</description>
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		<dc:creator>MegoSteve</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: docgonzo</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/34145/What-fonts-should-we-use-in-our-newspaper-design#532724</link>	
		<description>Please, for the love of Pete, never use &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.identifont.com/show?1RH&quot;&gt;Fragile&lt;/a&gt; for anything.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Mar 2006 05:25:22 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: hodyoaten</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/34145/What-fonts-should-we-use-in-our-newspaper-design#532746</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/linotype/minion/&quot;&gt;Minion&lt;/a&gt; seems to work really well as a newspaper body face.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Mar 2006 06:14:17 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: brownpau</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/34145/What-fonts-should-we-use-in-our-newspaper-design#532768</link>	
		<description>My college newspaper used Century Schoolbook 9 pt with 10.2 pt leading and 92% letter width. It&apos;s a readable and authoritative-looking body text font with just a touch of the casual, and the 92% width saves space while avoiding the cramped &quot;condensed&quot; look.&lt;br&gt;
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While we&apos;re here, I do &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; recommend Bookman Old Style. Lacks formality, I find it hard to take seriously.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Mar 2006 06:59:01 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: wackybrit</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/34145/What-fonts-should-we-use-in-our-newspaper-design#532772</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.textism.com/textfaces/index.html?id=2&quot;&gt;Bembo&lt;/a&gt;  is great.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Mar 2006 07:10:53 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: skyboy</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/34145/What-fonts-should-we-use-in-our-newspaper-design#532773</link>	
		<description>I&apos;m still a softie for Goudy&apos;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/linotype/itc-berkeley-old-style/&quot;&gt;Berkeley Old Style&lt;/a&gt;, though the book weight is a bit light -- the ink gain on newsprint usually makes up for it nicely, however.  It&apos;s difficult to use at less than 11pt, though the alt-weekly I specced it for (almost 10 years ago) still keeps trying.&lt;br&gt;
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Jim Parkinson&apos;s designs are pretty interesting... I&apos;d consider his &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/parkinson/benicia/medium/&quot;&gt;Benicia&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/parkinson/azuza/medium/&quot;&gt;Azuza&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br&gt;
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Typographica&apos;s Favorite Fonts of the Year is also useful for new trends: &lt;a href=&quot;http://typographi.com/001045.php&quot;&gt;2005&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://typographi.com/000969.php&quot;&gt;2004&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<title>By: kirkaracha</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/34145/What-fonts-should-we-use-in-our-newspaper-design#532780</link>	
		<description>You might want to check out &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newsdesigner.com/blog/&quot;&gt;NewsDesigner.com&lt;/a&gt; (a blog about newspaper design) or &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.typographi.com/&quot;&gt;Typograhica&lt;/a&gt; (a blog about typography) for suggestions.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Mar 2006 07:29:46 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dean King</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/34145/What-fonts-should-we-use-in-our-newspaper-design#532807</link>	
		<description>I&apos;d suggest a modern slab-serif (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/bitstream/charter/&quot;&gt;Charter&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/linotype/pmn-caecilia/&quot;&gt;Caecilia&lt;/a&gt;) for the body text. These faces can usually take a lot of abuse and remain legible, even at small point sizes.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Mar 2006 08:21:24 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: frogan</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/34145/What-fonts-should-we-use-in-our-newspaper-design#532824</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;We&apos;ve decided on HelveticaNeue for the headlines&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br&gt;
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Consider the entire package and how the elements interrelate to each other. You&apos;ve decided on a headline font and are looking for text fonts ... great ... now how about a caption font? Subhead decks? Text treatments for in-text callouts? Hammerheads and other display headlines?&lt;br&gt;
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Bembo and Benicia are both excellent answers to the original question, just keep in mind that this isn&apos;t a one-font-at-a-time exercise. People don&apos;t read and go &quot;wow, great font.&quot; But they absolutely put down a paper, unable to go on, because the entire package didn&apos;t work together well, and they won&apos;t be able to put their finger on the problem. It&apos;ll just &lt;em&gt;feel &lt;/em&gt;wrong.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Mar 2006 08:50:35 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Astro Zombie</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/34145/What-fonts-should-we-use-in-our-newspaper-design#532834</link>	
		<description>Newspapers often go with a serif for the body font and a sens for the headline font. Make sure you&apos;re using complete fonts, with bolds, italics, and variations built in. Use a limited font palette -- try to keep it to two. Some newspapers have even worked entirely with one well-made typeface, because it came with so many options.&lt;br&gt;
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I have always been partial to the classics, as they have stood the test of time, although they are so familiar as to be somewhat anonymous. Serif fonts: Times New Roman; Garamond; Caslon. Sens serif: Helvetica; Futura; Frutiger.&lt;br&gt;
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Some of it depends on the style of your newspaper. If its supposed to have a more contemporary feel, you may want typefaces with more character. Check through the Adobe catalogue.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Mar 2006 09:03:53 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Civil_Disobedient</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/34145/What-fonts-should-we-use-in-our-newspaper-design#532868</link>	
		<description>Helvetica is bleh, Arial doubly so.  If you want a nice sans-serif font, go with Futura.  Not for body text, naturally.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Mar 2006 09:49:32 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: elmaddog</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/34145/What-fonts-should-we-use-in-our-newspaper-design#532879</link>	
		<description>&quot;The Elements of Typographic Style&quot; by Robert Lee Bringhurst has all the answers for those who are willing to do the work.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Mar 2006 10:08:48 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: luriete</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/34145/What-fonts-should-we-use-in-our-newspaper-design#532887</link>	
		<description>Helvetica is not a newspaper headline face.&lt;br&gt;
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The Parkinson idea is super. Many of his faces are designed specifically for newspaper use.&lt;br&gt;
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Additionally, take a look at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.typophile.com/&quot;&gt;Typophile&lt;/a&gt;; this question posted there would have also generated plenty of irrelevant suggestions, but it would have also generated more relevant alternatives.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Mar 2006 10:21:22 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: O9scar</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/34145/What-fonts-should-we-use-in-our-newspaper-design#532949</link>	
		<description>Oh, for the love of all that is good and pure do not use &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.designobserver.com/archives/000205.html&quot;&gt;ITC Garamond&lt;/a&gt;. Even good ol&apos; Times would be better.&lt;br&gt;
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I would also poo-poo Helvetica as a headline font, mainly because it&apos;s so damn wide - were you thinking of a condensed weight? Franklin Gothic or (ahem) News Gothic would be better choices in my opinion.&lt;br&gt;
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Ascender Corp has a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ascendercorp.com/Ascender_Corp_Fonts_on_the_Front_Page_11_15_2004.pdf&quot;&gt;ridiculously detailed study&lt;/a&gt; &lt;small&gt;&lt;small&gt;(warning: PDF)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/small&gt; of newspaper fonts, if you want to see what&apos;s used in the industry.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Mar 2006 12:09:18 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: zadcat</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/34145/What-fonts-should-we-use-in-our-newspaper-design#533045</link>	
		<description>Please don&apos;t use Helvetica for headlines. Something like Trade Gothic or Franklin Gothic would be much more effective. Do not use Berkeley Oldstyle for newspaper setting.&lt;br&gt;
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There were once a lot of effective hot metal fonts used for newspaper setting. Times is one of the less pleasing that happens to have persisted till now. If you can find Excelsior in the right format, I&apos;d use that for the text: it&apos;s got that classic newsy feel and with no gimmicks whatsoever. Failing that, find a clean serif font that&apos;s neither too small nor big in x-height, and run off some samples in the grid you&apos;re planning to use. If you intend to use the italic much, for callouts and the like, also make sure it&apos;s legible and not too swishy.&lt;br&gt;
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Even more critical than the actual font is to establish the most effective linespace for the font and the best spacing for the columns. Legibility is everything, and should come before any design theories or flourishes.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Mar 2006 14:45:40 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: CrayDrygu</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/34145/What-fonts-should-we-use-in-our-newspaper-design#533087</link>	
		<description>&lt;b&gt;O9scar&lt;/b&gt;: That article on ITC Garamond?  That&apos;s nothing.  I have a 280-page book which was &lt;i&gt;entirely&lt;/i&gt; set in &lt;i&gt;Comic Sans MS&lt;/i&gt;.  I kid you not.  Body text, captions, chapter headings.  Everything.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Mar 2006 16:06:50 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Optimus Chyme</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/34145/What-fonts-should-we-use-in-our-newspaper-design#533187</link>	
		<description>Do not use Futura for the heads, I beg you.   O9scar, thanks for the PDF; that is fascinating.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Mar 2006 18:17:00 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jedrek</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/34145/What-fonts-should-we-use-in-our-newspaper-design#533451</link>	
		<description>A major polish newspaper recently switched to a condensed Helvetica for the headlines and it looks absolutely awful.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Mar 2006 03:30:01 -0800</pubDate>
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