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Question: SF

billtron — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 13:09:22 -0800

I'm looking for science fiction/speculative fiction without depictions of sexual violence. What books should I read?

By: A189Nut

A189Nut — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 13:15:19 -0800

Almost any SF will fit this bill. Sexual violence isn't a particularly regular feature of SF. Easier to tell you to avoid specific authors I'd think.

By: luriete

luriete — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 13:24:05 -0800

as she climbed across the table - jonathan lethem

By: mikeh

mikeh — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 13:24:43 -0800

I'd agree. It'd almost be easier to ask for our favorite science fiction books -- is that what you're asking, or have you had bad luck in picking books?

By: luriete

luriete — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 13:26:02 -0800

oops, meant to recommend girl in landscape, by lethem, which i am in the middle of. sorry. i think if you stay away from military sf you'll be fine though, as a189Nut says

By: juv3nal

juv3nal — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 13:27:10 -0800

Sexual violence isn't a particularly regular feature of SF.
Certainly no more so than it is a feature of regular fiction...what an odd question. It would certainly be easier to come up with specific books that HAVE sexual violence than a comprehensive list of all those that don't.

Avoid Bruce Calder, at any rate.

By: 6550

6550 — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 13:27:25 -0800

A Canticle for Leibowiwz by Walter Miller fits the bill. It's one of my favs and it doesn't have sex in it at all, that I recall.

By: grex

grex — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 13:28:05 -0800

I don't think William Gibson uses much sexual violence(lots of the ordinary kind), neither does Asimov,Vernor Vinge, or Greg Egan.
Also you should be Ok with most earlier Sci-fi .
PKD doesn't really jump out at me as being sexually violent but there's got to be a fair bit seeing as he is a pretty sick puppy.
Stay the hell away from "When gravity fails" by George Alec Effinger. Also Neal Stephenson has a bunch ,none that i can remember in Cryptonomicon or Zodiac though .
Alot of the space opera stuff has some sort of sexual violence.
I think you will be better guided by specific authors than by specific novels.

By: Pollomacho

Pollomacho — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 13:35:00 -0800

Does A Clockwork Orange count?

By: cog_nate

cog_nate — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 13:35:04 -0800

Stanislaw Lem's books are very good. His Master's Voice, Solaris and The Cyberiad are my favorites. There may be some sexual situations/sexually-oriented humor in The Cyberiad, but no sexual violence.

By: Faint of Butt

Faint of Butt — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 13:36:05 -0800

If you see anything with the word "Gor" in the title, just walk away.

By: Squid Voltaire

Squid Voltaire — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 13:37:35 -0800

Doesn't seem that odd a question to me, although I might be oversensitive to that sort of thing. There are many, many reasons to avoid Piers Anthony, but sexual violence is certainly one.

By: spinifex23

spinifex23 — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 13:37:39 -0800

I don't remember any sexual violence in any of Ray Bradbury's works. I also second 'A Canticle for Leibowitz'.

By: Pollomacho

Pollomacho — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 13:46:27 -0800

Does A Clockwork Orange count?

Sorry, I think I read that in reverse, scratch that!

How about 2001?

By: 445supermag

445supermag — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 13:48:23 -0800

Issac Azimov. Although known to leer at the pretty female (self admitted) that he might meet at a convention, his works are suitable for most any reader. He did not feel it was a sign of a good writer to include sex scenes (with a few exceptions for particular writers.) He was a prolific writer, and there are hundreds of books and short stoies to choose from.

wife of 445supermag

By: tkolar

tkolar — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 13:50:38 -0800

Anything that Arthur Clarke wrote solo fits the bill. Avoid his collaborations though.

I disagree with the assessment that sexual violence isn't a regular thing in Science Fiction. I'd say that roughly a quarter of the genre includes characters who either have been in the past or are in the course of the story sexually abused in some way. A smaller percentage than you find in the romances, but a lot larger than you find in the woodworking section.

By: WCityMike

WCityMike — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 13:50:59 -0800

Although it's a fine, fantastic, wonderful piece of writing, The Diamond Age by Neal Stephenson should be avoided if this is your concern.

By: Astro Zombie

Astro Zombie — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 13:55:43 -0800

City, by Clifford Simak.

There's sex, but I don't recall any sexual violence, in Ringworld, or in most of Larry Niven's works, for that matter.

By: solid-one-love

solid-one-love — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 13:57:49 -0800

There's a fair amount of sexual violence in the works of Roger Zelazny and Robert J. Sawyer, so I'd avoid them, too.

I seem to recall sexual violence being central to the plots of both "The Turth Machine" and "The First Immortal" by James Halperin, too.

By: jessamyn

jessamyn — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 14:00:17 -0800

The only SF that I can think of with a large degree of sexual violence is some of Octavia Butler's work, though a lot of her work is totally free of it. Stephenson seems to have one rape per book, though I can't recall one from Zodiac. Also avoid S.M. Stirling, he does speculative fiction stuff. I'm pretty touchy about sexual violence and I like writers like Ursula K. Leguin and William Gibson. Ray Bradbury has no sexual violence in anything he's done that I can remember, and I'd be suprised to find any in Isaac Asimov or Arthur C. Clarke.

By: johnsmith415

johnsmith415 — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 14:15:02 -0800

I think sexual violence seems to be more common in "fantasy" books - BUT there is the problem that sci-fi and fantasy are often grouped together in many smaller bookstores (and some bigger ones). And I guess there can be a lot of overlap between the 2 genres...

I'll give another vote for Asimov's work...I don't remember any sexual violence in any of his books.

By: tcobretti

tcobretti — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 14:22:37 -0800

Does sexual violence include Molly's meat puppet stint in Neuromancer?

By: Astro Zombie

Astro Zombie — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 14:27:24 -0800

Oh yes.

I would actually recommend any hard science fiction from the so-called Golden Age of sci fi. Not only was there almost no sexual violence, there was almost no sex, or even women!

The short stories published by Galaxy is generally excellent.

By: b33j

b33j — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 14:29:25 -0800

Go for Robert Heinlein's juvie novels - "Have spacesuit, will travel", "farmer in the sky", "Podkayne of mars". Brilliant stuff. Also, I think Orson Scott Card doesn't do much sex - I certainly don't recall any in Ender's game (there's some violence but it's not gratuitous). Anne McCaffrey seems pretty innocent too and that's both the Pern series and the Ships that could.

I liked Asimov but I think he and his ideas of society have dated a lot - you very rarely find strong female characters in his stories. I think Niven and Pournelle are excellent choices - some sex, but I can't think of any sexual violence.

Darn, now I'd like to stay home and read instead of going to work.

By: synapse

synapse — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 14:37:57 -0800

Good lord, forget Molly's meat puppet stint - how about the vicious and clearly sexual show that Riviera puts on? I would certainly *not* recommend William Gibson's Neuromancer.

In general Gibson's a great read, but he does have some scenes of general violence. A safe bet would be Pattern Recognition.

And Zodiac (by Neal Stephenson) doesn't have any sexual violence.

By: leafwoman

leafwoman — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 14:54:35 -0800

C. J. Cherryh

By: The Bellman

The Bellman — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 14:58:09 -0800

Certainly, whatever you do, do not read The Screwfly Solution by James Tiptree, Jr. unless, you know, you want to read a brilliant, dark science fiction story about men's sexual violence against women written by a remarkable woman (Dr. Alice Sheldon) with an astonishing life who masqueraded as a man so her stories could be published and read.

Of course if you do want to read it, it's here.

By: Firas

Firas — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 14:59:59 -0800

Molly's meat puppet stint and Riviera's show are not sexual violence... one is prostitution (with gory sex), the other is a representation of said gory sex.. well, I guess the former was not done with complete consent because she was zoned out..

Violent sex != sexual violence, but I guess it's best avoided if you're keeping away from that side of things.

By: edgeways

edgeways — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 15:19:02 -0800

I think most of David Brin's stuff is pretty safe. I'm trying to remember parts of the end of Klin People (which was very good), some sexuality but I don't think Sex violence

By: agropyron

agropyron — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 15:20:16 -0800

Also, I think Orson Scott Card doesn't do much sex

Au contraire. Orson Scott Card's books contain a surprising amount of sex and perversion. I know at least one of his books involves a woman being raped by an alien, but I don't remember which one. (One of his earlier ones.)

Ender's Game is still a good recommendation though.

By: cog_nate

cog_nate — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 16:01:48 -0800

Firas, while I agree that violent sex does not necessarily equal sexual violence, it's clearly insinuated that Molly's fellow prostitute had been murdered, and that Molly left prostitution for fear of being brutalized.

By: myodometer

myodometer — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 16:52:13 -0800

'The Sirens Of Titan' by Kurt Vonnegut.

Really, any Vonnegut will do - but this one's a real winner.

By: bim

bim — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 17:15:41 -0800

I'm no expert on SF, but I can suggest a book or two that I have really liked.

1)I read Childhood's End long ago and it has always stuck with me. I'm pretty sure than there was nothing of a sexually violent nature involved. It has religious overtones as far as the existence (or not) of god goes.

2)Not long ago, I decided to read some Philip K. Dick since he is usually touted as a primo SF writer. I started with Confessions of a Crap Artist. It's less fantastical than some of his other books and I have to admit that I loved the title. It was a good book. I don't recall anything of a sexually violent nature at all in the book. And they recently had a fascinating piece on BBC radio about PKD and his book Valis (which I haven't read). I'm not sure if it's still in the archives though. If you can find it, it's worth a listen. And the god question is the theme of Valis also, according to the BBC program.

By: tkchrist

tkchrist — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 17:52:56 -0800

Nobody has mentioned Iain M. Banks! Shame on you people!

And I second Vernor Vinge. Excellent.

By: PinkStainlessTail

PinkStainlessTail — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 18:05:53 -0800

Olaf Stapledon's Starmaker and Last and First Men

By: jessenoonan

jessenoonan — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 18:40:03 -0800

Nobody has mentioned Iain M. Banks! Shame on you people!

...but avoid The Algebraist. It's great, but there is some sexual violence. Same with The Wasp Factory. And those two are all I've read by him, so that's all I have to say...

By: brundlefly

brundlefly — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 21:18:03 -0800

Babel-17, Sam Delany

By: Malor

Malor — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 22:11:22 -0800

This has got to be the weirdest (non-deleted) AskMe yet. What on earth makes you think that sexual violence is common in SF? You could pick up 999 books out of 1000 in the genre and be perfectly safe.

Did you get burned or something? It's just.... such a strange question.

By: mmoncur

mmoncur — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 22:23:35 -0800

Since Vernor Vinge has been mentioned, I wanted to warn the original poster that his "A Deepness in the Sky" does have a subplot that involves what I would categorize as sexual abuse. (Not too violent, but abusive and a bit disturbing.) It's my favorite book of his, but it might bother you if you're sensitive to that sort of thing.

The rest of Vinge's work should be safe. Also: anything by Wil McCarthy. Gregory Benford is another good one--I don't recall any sexual violence, but it's been a while since I've read some of those.

Robert L. Forward's Dragon's Egg and Starquake are excellent and safe, and the rest of his work is worth a try too.

Harry Harrison is good if you want something a bit more on the juvenile side, and Douglas Adams is good if you want something more on the comedy side.

Lois Bujold is my favorite SF author but I can think of at least two of hers with incidents of sexual violence, so avoid them unless you have a fan specifically recommend which ones you should read.

My first impulse here was to agree that "just about any SF should fit the bill", but after I went through a few of my recommendations I discovered that it's more common than I would have thought...

By: tkolar

tkolar — Tue, 07 Mar 2006 00:10:57 -0800

Malor wrote...

This has got to be the weirdest (non-deleted) AskMe yet. What on earth makes you think that sexual violence is common in SF? You could pick up 999 books out of 1000 in the genre and be perfectly safe.

Malor, two things:

1) The original questioner never claimed that sexual violence was common in SF. They merely asked for book recommendations that avoided it.

2) Assuming you are in fact an SF fan, you can probably verify that the incidence of sexual violence in SF is much higher than 0.1%. In my collection it runs about 30% for described and referenced sexual abuse, but I'm a little light on the classics.

By: antifuse

antifuse — Tue, 07 Mar 2006 02:19:11 -0800

tkolar: I'd say that roughly a quarter of the genre includes characters who either have been in the past or are in the course of the story sexually abused in some way

This is such a vast overgeneralization and bullshit statistic that it actually boggles my mind. I am boggled here, people!

Avoid most of Heinlein's later work. Not much sexual violence, but lots of "Hey, sex with ANYBODY is fine as long as it's not for procreation". I didn't mind it too much, but if you're offended by sexual violence, I'm guessing you'll be offended by travelling back in time and having sex with one's mother. His juvie stuff is very entertaining though.

The Orson Scott Card rape book: Wyrms. Just about ANYTHING else by him is fine. In fact, when somebody mentioned the rape scene in a book by him, I was so shocked to hear about it (I've read over 20 of his books) that I had to google-fu it. Imagine my surprise!

By: dgeiser13

dgeiser13 — Tue, 07 Mar 2006 09:09:42 -0800

I don't think depictions of sexual violence are a part of most science fiction, so 99% of all science fiction should be available to you. Do you have any other criteria you are looking for in a good sci-fi book?

By: Lynsey

Lynsey — Tue, 07 Mar 2006 11:01:32 -0800

As a huge science fiction/fantasy fan, I think billtron's question is perfectly legitimate. I love the genres but find that when I encounter sexual violence in the books I read, that it's a huge turn-off and it makes me wonder what the authors' motives are in including it. Shock value? Sell more books? I would say that 1% is too low a figure, and 30% possibly too high, but I do seem to encounter sexual violence in sf/fantasy books far more frequently than I would like.

By: WCityMike

WCityMike — Tue, 07 Mar 2006 13:02:22 -0800

I've never read the book, but it occurs to me that Contact, by Carl Sagan, may be a good science fiction novel that involves no sexual violence. I base this, however, on the plot of the movie; I have yet to read the book, although I plan to.

By: tkchrist

tkchrist — Tue, 07 Mar 2006 16:06:29 -0800

but avoid The Algebraist. It's great, but there is some sexual violence

There is? Oh. The Archimandrate. Just barely. I guess I am completely immune unless it's over-the-top.

I suppose I don't worry about it because there is this great technology called "turning the page and skipping ahead."

By: WCityMike

WCityMike — Tue, 07 Mar 2006 17:14:08 -0800

Can't say it'll always be free of sexual violence, but the short-short-scifi-story-a-day of 365 Tomorrows is a nice site.

By: ninebelow

ninebelow — Wed, 08 Mar 2006 05:47:10 -0800

There is? Oh. The Archimandrate. Just barely.

Er, there's an anal rape which is deliberately planned to hurt as much as possible. I think that's a bit more than "just barely".

Sexual violence is a recurring theme through Banks work so it was a pretty poor suggestion really.

By: tkchrist

tkchrist — Wed, 08 Mar 2006 10:27:48 -0800

Sexual violence is a recurring theme through Banks work so it was a pretty poor suggestion really.

It's not a theme in the Culture series. I just read all the culture books this year... and I honestly can't think of any sexual violence in any of those at all. Never read his spculative stuff like Wasp Factory.

By: ook

ook — Wed, 08 Mar 2006 14:28:54 -0800

It's not a theme in the Culture series.
Unless you count the human plot in Excession, with Dajeil's abortion/murder/extended guilt trip.

It's definitely a theme in his non-SF books. I can hold my nose and skim past the (many) mysogynist chapters in his Culture books, but in books like Walking On Glass that doesn't leave much.