Need information on FBI self-defence training
February 25, 2006 2:56 PM Subscribe
I've heard the FBI employ a certain style of fighting/self defense that incorporates the three stooges (slapping and whatnot) and is meant to humiliate the opponent as well as subdue them. I'm REALLY interested in reading more about this...
and I wonder if anyone knows of any books, websites, training videos etc regarding this subject.
Bonus Points for recommendations of other simple and unique fighting/self-defence styles that even children could learn and protect themselves with if they absolutely had no other choice.
and I wonder if anyone knows of any books, websites, training videos etc regarding this subject.
Bonus Points for recommendations of other simple and unique fighting/self-defence styles that even children could learn and protect themselves with if they absolutely had no other choice.
Response by poster: No info at the FBI site mr.dan. I'd ask an FBI agent straight up but I live in Canada...
posted by rinkjustice at 3:55 PM on February 25, 2006
posted by rinkjustice at 3:55 PM on February 25, 2006
The first thing I thought of - well, the first thing was that you're being gamed. But the second thing I thought of was aikido - which is, as I've heard, what Steven Segal practices. You've seen in his movies where someone attacks him, and he just sort of slaps the punches away? And when attacks (supposedly rare in aikido, though) it looks more like a slap than a punch or a chop.
posted by attercoppe at 4:25 PM on February 25, 2006
posted by attercoppe at 4:25 PM on February 25, 2006
You may be thinking of Sambo (or Sombo), the Russian martial art that some US special ops picked up during the cold war. Styles vary widely, but I have seen at least one demo that involved a lot of slapping and chucking people about willy-nilly. (Here's a video of the competition form in practice.)
I'm guessing you're not thinking about Aikido, which is formally a delicate, soft, and silent art.
To answer the final part of your question, I recommend Muay Thai. You can pick up the basics in a couple of weeks, and drilling them is easy. It's a very powerful short form that emphasizes sharp movements over demonstrative technique. It's incredibly effective. (All the UFC guys? Their styles are built on Muay Thai. Don't hold that against it.)
posted by milquetoast at 4:51 PM on February 25, 2006
I'm guessing you're not thinking about Aikido, which is formally a delicate, soft, and silent art.
To answer the final part of your question, I recommend Muay Thai. You can pick up the basics in a couple of weeks, and drilling them is easy. It's a very powerful short form that emphasizes sharp movements over demonstrative technique. It's incredibly effective. (All the UFC guys? Their styles are built on Muay Thai. Don't hold that against it.)
posted by milquetoast at 4:51 PM on February 25, 2006
Best answer: I suppose trying to attack and FBI agent is out.
posted by tiamat at 4:57 PM on February 25, 2006
posted by tiamat at 4:57 PM on February 25, 2006
It's been a long day. I conflated the two major Russian martial arts exports -- Sambo and Systema. I think Systema's the one you're actually after. Sample videos here; I think this one floated around the net a while back.
posted by milquetoast at 5:45 PM on February 25, 2006
posted by milquetoast at 5:45 PM on February 25, 2006
Best answer: Yes this is exactly the kind of thing they do between building cases, arresting people, and pressing charges. Basically, when they can't proceed via the law, but are forced into doing something, they bring in some stooges, aka good old boys, to do a bit of the old ultraviolence wink wink, nod nod, (slap slap), say no more.
posted by nervousfritz at 5:58 PM on February 25, 2006
posted by nervousfritz at 5:58 PM on February 25, 2006
All the UFC guys? Their styles are built on Muay Thai. Don't hold that against it.
Muay Thai crosstrained with Gracie Jujitsu. Most fights that don't end on the first punch end up on the floor, and there's nothing better than the latter for that.
posted by Ryvar at 11:52 PM on February 25, 2006
Muay Thai crosstrained with Gracie Jujitsu. Most fights that don't end on the first punch end up on the floor, and there's nothing better than the latter for that.
posted by Ryvar at 11:52 PM on February 25, 2006
Paul Vunak trains many government agencies, including the FBI. His background is in JKD concepts, particularly the Filipino systems.
When I think of '3 Stooges' style, I imagine eye gouging, finger breaks, fish hooks, slaps, biting etc. Are you sure you'd want kids to learn that sort of stuff?
posted by the cuban at 4:40 AM on February 26, 2006
When I think of '3 Stooges' style, I imagine eye gouging, finger breaks, fish hooks, slaps, biting etc. Are you sure you'd want kids to learn that sort of stuff?
posted by the cuban at 4:40 AM on February 26, 2006
An interesting law enforcement video is Surviving Edged Weapons. It's pretty grim viewing, but worth tracking down.
Hock Hochheim is another big name in law enforcement/reality systems. Again, not for the squeamish.
posted by the cuban at 4:55 AM on February 26, 2006
Hock Hochheim is another big name in law enforcement/reality systems. Again, not for the squeamish.
posted by the cuban at 4:55 AM on February 26, 2006
milquetoast: All the UFC guys? Their styles are built on Muay Thai
Not quite. The wikipedia article on MMA - Mixed Martial Arts is quite informative and describes the the actual styles that are used and are successful in UFC and similar competitions.
posted by cactus at 6:40 AM on February 26, 2006
Not quite. The wikipedia article on MMA - Mixed Martial Arts is quite informative and describes the the actual styles that are used and are successful in UFC and similar competitions.
posted by cactus at 6:40 AM on February 26, 2006
attercoppe:
I know a lot of aikido practitoners who grimace about Seagal. In any case, defensively aikido doesn't slap as much as block. And even "block" misdefines it. There's also what's called atemi which can be a slap or a punch, even if just a "faked" punch or slap, anything to misdirect the opponent, but in my school, we never actually connect. The point is force the attacker to break his posture.
But as a suggestion for self-defense for children, aikido is dead on, especially if you don't want your child to actually get into kicking and punching an attacker. A good school would teach your child to move out of the attack and redirect an attack elsewhere.
posted by artifarce at 1:10 PM on February 26, 2006
I know a lot of aikido practitoners who grimace about Seagal. In any case, defensively aikido doesn't slap as much as block. And even "block" misdefines it. There's also what's called atemi which can be a slap or a punch, even if just a "faked" punch or slap, anything to misdirect the opponent, but in my school, we never actually connect. The point is force the attacker to break his posture.
But as a suggestion for self-defense for children, aikido is dead on, especially if you don't want your child to actually get into kicking and punching an attacker. A good school would teach your child to move out of the attack and redirect an attack elsewhere.
posted by artifarce at 1:10 PM on February 26, 2006
Response by poster: Thanks for the great suggestions everyone! You ppl rule - I mean it!
posted by rinkjustice at 6:06 PM on February 26, 2006
posted by rinkjustice at 6:06 PM on February 26, 2006
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posted by mr.dan at 3:10 PM on February 25, 2006