Comments on: dna art on the cheap

Question: dna art on the cheap

zeoslap — Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:40:54 -0800

My GoogleFu has failed me. Does anyone know of a place I could send a swab of DNA from my cheek and get a photo of it back (after they do the Chomatography thing). Because I love these but I'm too cheap and figure given the source image I could do the rest myself.

By: rxrfrx

rxrfrx — Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:47:06 -0800

I'd say your best shot is to find a friend or a friend-of-friend who works in an academic biolab where they could do this sort of good-natured screwing around without getting in trouble.

It costs less than $20 in materials to extract the DNA, cut it, and run it on a gel... so would anybody sell you this service for less than $100? I'm curious too.

By: greatgefilte

greatgefilte — Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:01:46 -0800

It's actually electrophoresis, rather than chromotography. I'd offer to do it for you, but I work with mouse DNA and don't have any human-specific thingamabobs that would let me constuct a 'DNA profile' of you... If you're willing to pay for a couple of reagents I could definitely do it...

By: zeoslap

zeoslap — Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:03:13 -0800

What would the reagents cost?

By: greatgefilte

greatgefilte — Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:09:57 -0800

Well, the folks who work at the bench next to me have a lot of human-specific stuff. We can probably even do this the 'official' way -- have us check 10-20 bits of your DNA. It's something like $1 for each 'check.' Email me.

By: rxrfrx

rxrfrx — Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:15:50 -0800

I was gonna say "forget about getting a friend to do it, it needs primers for variable regions of human DNA that they probably don't have sitting around" but that's awesome, greatgefilte.

By: greatgefilte

greatgefilte — Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:16:46 -0800

Yeah, the perks of working at a core facility. :)

By: zeoslap

zeoslap — Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:18:14 -0800

Awesome indeed :) Like I said in my email to greatgefilte MeFi never ceases to amaze me :)

By: zeoslap

zeoslap — Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:27:22 -0800

fMRI picture of my brain.... now that would be sweet, small, but sweet; and yes I think the DNA art is very cool looking (hence the post) each to his own :)

By: fishfucker

fishfucker — Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:54:40 -0800

Is this a joke?

i think the other thing is that the commercial ones are really really nicely matted and printed. I'd guess it would cost at least $100-150 to get that nice of a print from a negative*, so $390 for the whole shebang doesn't seem that crazy to me.

One thing art school taught me is that presentation is extremely important. You can have good work that's shittily presented and it's worthless, and shitty work that's really well presented that looks awesome.

* But i don't know a lot about huge photo prints, so, uh, yeah

By: junesix

junesix — Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:58:46 -0800

The real cost of dna11's process is in the print-making.

Each piece is carefully processed to ensure the highest level of quality, and is then printed as a Giclee fine art piece. The art is made using high quality acid free polyester-cotton canvas, using pigmented inks designed to resist fading. It is then sealed with a non-yellowing protective varnish to further prolong the print life.

It's a fairly high-quality print they're making, though at $390 for a 18" x 24" print you're definitely still paying a "cool" premium.

By: zeoslap

zeoslap — Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:01:02 -0800

For printing on canvas I've used these guys before and the results were very good, and a lot cheaper than $390 for 18x24.

By: greatgefilte

greatgefilte — Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:07:45 -0800

Yeah, the cost of doing the actual biology work is negligible. But if zeoslap's printing place is good, I'm more than willing to provide the biology end of it to anyone who asks for $25 or so. (I'm still making sure it's ok with the bosses, but for now it looks like it won't be a problem).

By: zeoslap

zeoslap — Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:10:58 -0800

Also the prints from dna11 aren't stretched or framed. You just get the print.

By: fishfucker

fishfucker — Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:25:39 -0800

Oh -- it's Giclee? (aka -- my ink jet printer?)

nevermind then.

By: annoyance

annoyance — Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:20:16 -0800

seems for a 24 x 36 print, stretched and coated it will be about $120 from that place! wow, that is really rad. if greatgefilte is really willing to do the bio for a decent fee, i am totally in! gotta love mefi.

By: zeoslap

zeoslap — Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:37:58 -0800

Assuming he gets the go ahead from his boss you can get a swab kit for $3.49 from here or try for a free sample from these guys

By: greatgefilte

greatgefilte — Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:51:56 -0800

zeo - $3.49, yes, but $12 for shipping and handling!!! There's a similar kit from these guys, with only $5.99 s/h. You can also get a free kit from the myriad paternity testing places, although they usually stipulate that you use their kit for their own services.

By: zeoslap

zeoslap — Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:56:06 -0800

Seeing as my wife and I (well mostly her) are about to have a baby any day now I should probably avoid fouling up my Google search history with Paternity Tests :)

By: nowonmai

nowonmai — Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:02:27 -0800

The most likely problem will be the resolution of the gel documentation system greatgefilte has access to. Unless you still have access to old-fashioned gel photography, I'm pretty sure the picture will be pixellated when blown up from the original 2"x3" or whatever.
That might, of course, look cooler. Just sayin'.

By: zeoslap

zeoslap — Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:25:48 -0800

Well the image is such that is would be relatively easy to run some photoshop filters over to remove any pixelation.

By: junesix

junesix — Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:31:23 -0800

For anyone still following this thread, dna11's "proprietary" Glowframe appears to be the same as these backlit Photoglow frames. The 28" x 40" Photoglow frame matted to 23" x 35" is $399 as compared to $1300 at dna11.

By: greatgefilte

greatgefilte — Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:27:47 -0800

Additionally, I've posted a helpful PDF file explaining the process for anyone who wishes to make their own DNA art through me.

By: greatgefilte

greatgefilte — Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:28:23 -0800

Aw, crap, that link should go here.