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	<title>Comments on: Who are the 21st century Muses?</title>
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	<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 05:29:20 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Question: Who are the 21st century Muses?</title>
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		<description>Who are the 21st century Muses? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; Originally there were three muses, then &lt;a href=&quot;http://musesguild.tripod.com/muses/&quot;&gt;nine (3x3) traditional Muses&lt;/a&gt;. Considering the proliferation of new arts in the last few thousand years, why not 3x3x3 (that is, 3^3), or 27?&lt;br&gt;
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I recently bumped into Caissa, the Muse of Chess and Fairy Chess (she was discovered in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.goddesschess.com/poetryagora/cassia.html&quot;&gt;1763&lt;/a&gt;). She told me that via the usual process of delegation, She is now also the Muse of Gaming and Game Design in general. Huzzah!&lt;br&gt;
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What other Muses are there? Plato called Sappho the &quot;Tenth Muse&quot;, but this seems a bit dubious to me as she was mortal, and about half the original Nine oversee different kinds of poetry already. Alice Weaver Flaherty, who wrote &lt;em&gt;The Midnight Disease&lt;/em&gt;, a study of manic states, inspiration, and writer&apos;s block, says that people sometimes nominate new Muses for things like web pages and talk shows, but I haven&apos;t seen any mentioned yet. Don&apos;t point me toward &lt;a href=&quot;http://us.penguingroup.com/nf/Book/BookDisplay/0,,0_1592400086,00.html&quot;&gt;this book&lt;/a&gt;; it looks like self-serving newage commercial tripe to me. (&quot;Lull [the Muse of] permission to let go of the process and take a break&quot;? Please. The real Muse is more likely to flay the flesh from your broken back as you lie mad in the gutter.)&lt;br&gt;
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I&apos;m up for having fun with the new Muses, but ha-ha-only-serious or better, please. If you can document the new Muse from a third party&apos;s writing, even better. Also, did your new Muse pay you a personal visit?&lt;br&gt;
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p.s. Who is the Muse of inventing/discovering new Muses?</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 04:02:44 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>rwhe</dc:creator>
		
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		<title>By: misteraitch</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/30656/Who-are-the-21st-century-Muses#482205</link>	
		<description>The muse-of-new-muses&apos; job would probably be covered by &lt;i&gt;Autophagia,&lt;/i&gt; the muse of self-referentiality (and blogging.)</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 05:29:20 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mkultra</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/30656/Who-are-the-21st-century-Muses#482273</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0164108&quot;&gt;Sharon Stone&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 07:19:49 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The White Hat</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/30656/Who-are-the-21st-century-Muses#482286</link>	
		<description>Iroll, the muse of sarcasm.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 07:32:55 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Rubber Soul</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/30656/Who-are-the-21st-century-Muses#482352</link>	
		<description>The Zork Chronicles by George Alec Effinger has Phretys the Muse of Modern Science Fiction, and her sister Threnia the Muse of Modern Fantasy Novels.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:42:44 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Rubber Soul</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: mikel</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/30656/Who-are-the-21st-century-Muses#482363</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.throwingmusic.com/&quot;&gt;Kristin Hersh&lt;/a&gt; of the Throwing Muses?</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:52:27 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: dagnyscott</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/30656/Who-are-the-21st-century-Muses#482381</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120655/&quot;&gt;Salma Hayek&lt;/a&gt;?  Or &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Hayek&quot;&gt;Friedrich Hayek&lt;/a&gt;, the muse of capitalism? (OK, that was a stretch)&lt;br&gt;
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Somewhat outside of the intended idea, there&apos;s also the idea that the muses were replaced by the Holy Spirit (see: Milton).</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:08:33 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: klangklangston</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/30656/Who-are-the-21st-century-Muses#482526</link>	
		<description>Who&apos;s the muse of Chatfilter?</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:45:32 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: rwhe</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/30656/Who-are-the-21st-century-Muses#482729</link>	
		<description>Thanks, Rubber Soul. This is just what I was looking for. I note that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nesfa.org/Recursion/recursive_Almost.htm&quot;&gt;Recursive Science Fiction -- Almost&lt;/a&gt; says, &quot;It is a nice touch [in the Zork Chronicles] to have two of the many new muses be Phretys the Muse of Modern Science Fiction and her sister Threnia the Muse of Modern Fantasy Novels&quot;, so it seems that lots of other new muses are mentioned too. I&apos;ll have to find a copy.&lt;br&gt;
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Is there any other fiction that mentions new muses? Perhaps time to hit the Encyclopedias of Fantasy and SF.&lt;br&gt;
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The other posters seem to have the &quot;ha ha&quot; part down, but are having trouble grasping the &quot;only serious&quot;. Not very helpful.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:40:06 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: rwhe</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/30656/Who-are-the-21st-century-Muses#482838</link>	
		<description>Well, according to the &lt;em&gt;Encyclopedia of Fantasy&lt;/em&gt;, the Discworld has eight muses, led by Cantaloupe (as opposed to Calliope). I suppose this falls into the pure &quot;ha ha&quot; part of the spectrum, though.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:40:38 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Rubber Soul</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/30656/Who-are-the-21st-century-Muses#483140</link>	
		<description>While Zork Chronicles is a fun book, you don&apos;t need to bother tracking down a copy; Phretys and Threnia are the only new muses actually named in the text. There&apos;s just a line or two like &quot;In these modern times there are lots of new muses out there; for example, I&apos;m Threnia, and there&apos;s my sister, Phretys...&quot; And Effinger, sadly, can no longer benefit from your patronage anyway... :(</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 23:16:06 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: rwhe</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/30656/Who-are-the-21st-century-Muses#483166</link>	
		<description>Too late, Rubber Soul! I already bought a copy. You&apos;re right; I don&apos;t see any other muses in the text. Glorian (the protagonist) estimates that there have been around 2200 new muses since the first nine &quot;ethereal beauties&quot; arrived on the scene.&lt;br&gt;
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The book looks pretty funny and metafictional, though, especially if you played the Zork games. I hoist a glass to Effinger&apos;s memory.&lt;br&gt;
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Can anyone translate &quot;Phretys&quot; and &quot;Threnia&quot;?</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2006 00:29:14 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>rwhe</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: sennoma</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/30656/Who-are-the-21st-century-Muses#484016</link>	
		<description>&quot;Threnia&quot; reminded me of &quot;threnody&quot;, the etymology of which is given by m-w.com as &quot;Etymology: Greek thrEnOidia, from thrEnos dirge + aeidein to sing&quot;.&lt;br&gt;
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A quick google turns up the fact that &quot;phret(o)-&quot; is Greek for a well, reservoir or tank.&lt;br&gt;
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Make of those factlets what you will, I guess.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:47:34 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>sennoma</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: rwhe</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/30656/Who-are-the-21st-century-Muses#484260</link>	
		<description>Multajn dankojn, sennoma!</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2006 14:38:14 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>rwhe</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: sennoma</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/30656/Who-are-the-21st-century-Muses#484353</link>	
		<description>Ne dankinde, rwhe.  (I had to look that up.  If people are going to start speaking to me in E-o because of my nick, I should brush up.)</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:23:45 -0800</pubDate>
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