Comments on: Bittorrent

Question: Bittorrent

flipmiester99 — Tue, 01 Nov 2005 15:27:47 -0800

bittorrent filter: where are the best bittorrent sites?

(Preferablly the ones that have alot of *stuff* but not alot of people know about.

By: koenie

koenie — Tue, 01 Nov 2005 15:40:45 -0800

Oink's Pink Palace rules music-wise. Mail me for an invite.

By: authenticgeek

authenticgeek — Tue, 01 Nov 2005 15:44:56 -0800

I find that simply checking the "bittorrent" tag on del.icio.us and picking through the most recent sites posted there does a pretty good job of getting me what I'm looking for via new-ish bittorrent trackers.

By: xmutex

xmutex — Tue, 01 Nov 2005 15:45:03 -0800

How would a bit torrent site have a lot of stuff and not be readily known? Isn't the stuff on a site and the availability of said stuff in fact dependant on the number of users of that site w/r/t the protocol?

By: purephase

purephase — Tue, 01 Nov 2005 16:04:35 -0800

UKNova is supposed to be pretty good, but I've never been able to wrangle an invite. ;)

You could try FileList, mininova, and (my personal favourite) indietorrents.

By: lowlife

lowlife — Tue, 01 Nov 2005 16:16:40 -0800

I'm sure that the sites "not a lot of people know about" are like that for a reason; closed memberships, and probably anti-talk "legislation". Also, because bittorrent works by having everyone share with everyone else, it usually helps to have a lot of people 'know' about the site.

Personally, I like using mininova as mentioned above by purephase, it does the trick. There are other sites, but it has lots of stuff.

By: pixie

pixie — Tue, 01 Nov 2005 16:42:14 -0800

To get onto uknova just keep trying until it shows a signup form.

By: flipmiester99

flipmiester99 — Tue, 01 Nov 2005 16:42:27 -0800

koenie....How do i get your email address?

By: flipmiester99

flipmiester99 — Tue, 01 Nov 2005 16:45:45 -0800

koenie...nevermind, got it.

By: k8t

k8t — Tue, 01 Nov 2005 16:53:46 -0800

This link from about.com updates pretty regularly.

I've found it to be pretty reliable.

By: smackfu

smackfu — Tue, 01 Nov 2005 17:12:17 -0800

Thanks pixie! (I don't use UKNova much, and they've deleted my account three times because of that, I think. I was very disappointed that sign-ups were closed when I tried.)

By: twiggy

twiggy — Tue, 01 Nov 2005 17:16:28 -0800

Depends on what you're looking for, but torrentspy is generally chock full 'o stuff... Demonoid is also good but has been having issues lately. (Both are dotcoms)

Another very popular/congested one is isohunt.

By: LunaticFringe

LunaticFringe — Tue, 01 Nov 2005 18:08:13 -0800

I'm a big fan of TorrentSpy.com.

By: killdevil

killdevil — Tue, 01 Nov 2005 18:17:08 -0800

I'd reccommend checking this link on Slyck.com. It's a list of the top mainstream torrent indexing sites, updated frequently. Note that a couple of the sites on the list are actually search engines, which come in handy if you're looking for something in particular (isoHunt, Yotoshi).

Here are their picks of the moment, in order of decreasing chewing satisfaction:

Mininova
The Pirate Bay
MyBitTorrent
TorrentSpy
Torrentz
isoHunt
Snarf-It
CTV
TorrentBox
TorrentPortal
NovaTina
TorrentReactor
Yotoshi
FileSoup
UKNova
BT Sites

By: dobbs

dobbs — Tue, 01 Nov 2005 18:49:38 -0800

Can I piggyback on this question? My Bittorrent speeds are superslow. I tried to clear this up at MetaChat but nothing helped. Anyone who has advice, I'd appreciate it.

By: klangklangston

klangklangston — Tue, 01 Nov 2005 19:59:55 -0800

Dobbs: Are you behind a router or a firewall? For some reason, only about half of the torrents on any given site work for me, and I've been told that it's because I'm behind a static IP router.
That's also why I'm not trying to wrangle an invite to indietorrents or Oink, despite having too much music to share...

By: amberglow

amberglow — Tue, 01 Nov 2005 20:07:27 -0800

i'm a big Mininova fan.

By: scarabic

scarabic — Tue, 01 Nov 2005 20:19:55 -0800

This site remains an excellent index of new and standby torrent providers, and offers a search of all of them.

By: purephase

purephase — Tue, 01 Nov 2005 20:20:54 -0800

Slow speed issues:

From what I know about Bittorrent and some of the more ratio intensive sites (like oink and indietorrents) the key to getting better speeds is to ensure that non-standard ports are used in your Bittorrent client and that if you are behind a router, make sure that the ports are forwarded to the workstation running the client software. Also, on some trackers, your initial speeds will always be low until you establish a certain ratio above a certain transfer limit. It may take some time, but eventually you'll get the top speeds (or seed priority) while downloading.

Also, (and especially on indietorrents) you typically have to leave torrents seeding for a considerable amount of time. I always try to hit a 1:1 ratio on all torrents.

By: meta87

meta87 — Tue, 01 Nov 2005 20:25:00 -0800

I'll second or third thepiratebay.org. If I can't find what I'm looking for on there I try torrentspy.com which seems to have a wider selection, but less comments. The only problem with thepiratebay.org is that half the comments are in german.

I hate to do this but I've wanted an invite to bitme.org for so long! If anyone could send me an invite I'd love you forever!

By: dobbs

dobbs — Tue, 01 Nov 2005 20:51:34 -0800

I have a firewall but have "disabled" it for Bittorrent as per the instructions on the MeCha link I provided. (I also followed all the other instructions there). Despite this, my speeds are horrible. I've been downloading a 2.99 Gig file for 7 days and it's telling me it's got 16 days remaining. Painful.

The transfer speed column of the regular Bittorrent software for OS X tells me

1.27 GiB ^ 1.6KiB/s
1.81 GiB < .4kib/sbr>
(The < should be pointing down.)br>
I assume the first number is how much I've transfered so far and the second number (on the right of the ^) is how fast.

It's ridiculous. I can't imagine why people use this service. I've never downloaded anything so slowly in my life. I'm on a "fast' cable modem.

To contrast, I'll be able to get similarly sized files on Limewire considerably faster (an hour or two)--however, the pickins' is terrible there.

I leave stuff up to seed that's already downloaded.

By: flipmiester99

flipmiester99 — Tue, 01 Nov 2005 20:55:35 -0800

Thanks for all the great posts!!!!!!!!!!!!

By: meta87

meta87 — Tue, 01 Nov 2005 21:04:58 -0800

dobbs, what client are you using? Download azureus. Then go to settings and click on Nat Test. (I think this is right, I don't have it installed here and can't check)

Choose the port number that you forwarded on the router.
If it says that everything is ok, then the port is open and everything should be working. If it gives you an error, you know the problem; your router is not forwarding the open port to your machine.

If you are sure that it isn't the router, try plugging your computer straight into the cable modem. (You will have to do ipconfig /release and then ipconfig /renew in the command prompt to get a new ip). Then see if your speeds are good. If so, it's the router. If not, it is probably a software firewall. Could be the windows xp firewall or another you have installed.

Hope this helps! (Golley I hope you are on windows, if not let me know and i can modify the instructions.) Also forgive me if you know how to do some of this stuff, I'm not sure how tech savvy you are.

By: dobbs

dobbs — Tue, 01 Nov 2005 21:07:42 -0800

I'm not tech savvy at all and am on OS X.

By: meta87

meta87 — Tue, 01 Nov 2005 21:12:15 -0800

damn

By: meta87

meta87 — Tue, 01 Nov 2005 21:14:31 -0800

well you could still try connecting your computer straight to the cable modem and see what kind of speeds you get. I'm guessing it is a problem with the router since os x doesn't come with a firewall installed.

Also, what kind of router do you have and did you forward a port to your mac?

By: dobbs

dobbs — Tue, 01 Nov 2005 21:22:17 -0800

Okay, I dl'd Azureus and am running it. I did a Nat test on 6881 and it gave me an error so I tried 6882 and it said OK!. Now I'm trying to dl a 348 mb.

Oh, it just threw up this warning: if you have a firewall, please check that you have port 6881 UDP open. Decentralised tracking requires this.

Okay, so I went into my firewall and added 6881 to the UDP.

Azureus is telling me the 348 mb file will take 7days and 2h. There are 35 seeds and 25 peers. My speed is 2.1Kbs.

I don't have a router. My computer is connected right to my modem and when I run a test I get: 4.43 MBps for download and 1.18 Mbps for upload.

By: meta87

meta87 — Tue, 01 Nov 2005 21:47:12 -0800

Well, let the torrent go for a bit and see if it improves, torrents do start out slow. What firewall are you using?

By: meta87

meta87 — Tue, 01 Nov 2005 21:48:31 -0800

Sorry to hijack this thread btw, maybe we should take this into email dobbs. Email me if you want to try to fix this sucker.

By: mookieproof

mookieproof — Wed, 02 Nov 2005 06:37:10 -0800

for your firewall/router issues: portforward.com

By: cyrusdogstar

cyrusdogstar — Wed, 02 Nov 2005 07:06:31 -0800

Man, I'm surprised somebody hasn't MeTa'd this thread yet! Seems pretty sketchy to me, and considering some of the completely weak sauce callouts/thread complaints we've seen, you'd think this would be a huge target.

dobbs, another good client for OSX is Bits on Wheels, you may want to try giving it a shot. Per your speed issues, just try to open up a large range of ports (I think the BitTorrent ports are something like 6800-6900 or some such) - the Sharing prefpane does allow you to enter ranges of ports.

I used to be on a Mac-oriented torrents site called Torrents Kick Ass, but I think it's down now...I rarely torrent myself so I haven't checked it in a while.

By: five fresh fish

five fresh fish — Wed, 02 Nov 2005 10:46:27 -0800

dobbs, my guess is that your ISP is throttling the standard torrent ports. Go through the prefs and move all your ports into a new range.

By: kindall

kindall — Wed, 02 Nov 2005 10:50:15 -0800

I'm guessing it is a problem with the router since os x doesn't come with a firewall installed.

... of course it does.

By: dobbs

dobbs — Wed, 02 Nov 2005 14:49:28 -0800

I called my ISP and they insist they are not against bittorrent and are not doing anything to the ports. To clarify, they asked which ports in particular and I told them 6881-6889. They put me on hold and then came back and said they'd checked with every other tech support person there and all said bittorrent works fine and they're not doing anything to the ports. Must be something on my end, they say.

mookieproof, thanks for the link but my modem's not on the list there, nor is mac os x (my firewall) and I don't have a router.

I left Azureus on all night downloading and it's getting the same speeds as my other bittorrent program (hovering around 1kB/s).

Overnight it downloaded 3% of a 2.93 gig file and tells me there is 32 days left.

Thanks for your help, all, but I'm gonna throw in the towel. This thing's nothing but frustration.