Comments on: Selling my house and keeping the cash - possible?

Question: Selling my house and keeping the cash - possible?

cubedweller — Sun, 11 Sep 2005 13:22:24 -0800

Selling a house and keeping the cash - my wife and I are in the midst of selling our house. When all is said and done (fees, taxes, etc all paid) we're going to get $250k. The expected thing to do is move to another house and use that money as a down payment. But we're playing around with the idea of taking the money and travelling for six months - can we? More Inside...

Are they simply going to hand us a check for $250k and that's it? Or is it transferred straight into the next real estate transaction to avoid tax implications? If we do just take the cash, will get screwed on taxes? We're in California if that helps at all.

By: spilon

spilon — Sun, 11 Sep 2005 13:43:43 -0800

If this house in question has been your primary residence for at least two years, no taxes are owed on the profit. I believe they will just hand you a check and send you on your way. Bon voyage!

By: jessamyn

jessamyn — Sun, 11 Sep 2005 13:46:44 -0800

A good place to start is IRS Publication 523: Selling Your Home which is relevant to you if this is your main non-vacation home and is not a rental property. In short, if you lived in the house for over two years, then it was a house and not an investment. So, the key points when you ascertain tax liability have to do with the base cost of the house, the increase or decrease in value while you had it, and then the amount of "exclusion" you get or claim when you sell it. My reading of this document is that you can exclude up to $500K between you and your wife assuming you meet a handful of conditions [which means no tax liability but I am SO not an accountant]. MSNBC has a more basic explanation of the major points of dealing with capital gains. The IRS document explains all of this passably well with lots of good phone numbers to call at the end.

By: fionab

fionab — Sun, 11 Sep 2005 13:58:12 -0800

I think Suze Orman has an article on this too, but I have to run and can't look it up right now. Poke around her website and you're bound to come across it.

By: freshgroundpepper

freshgroundpepper — Sun, 11 Sep 2005 14:18:09 -0800

Have fun on your trip :). Could be good timing too as you might get "lucky" and have the housing market crash while you're sailing around the world. Then, when you come back, hey, cheap house!

By: adamrice

adamrice — Sun, 11 Sep 2005 15:14:51 -0800

Ditto spilon. After everything is paid for, you will get a big, fat check. I've been through this recently myself, and walking around with a 6-figure check is unreal.

This is a relatively recent change in the tax code--it used to be you had to be over 55 (?) to avoid capital-gains taxes on the sale of your house. But even then, I think you had one year (?) to buy the new house in order to avoid the tax hit--the tax code did not expect everyone to move directly from house A to house B.

Obviously the smart thing to do would be to take that check, deposit it, and run to an investment manager who will put the money to work for you. And have fun traveling.

By: madajb

madajb — Sun, 11 Sep 2005 15:23:04 -0800

The Fool has a pretty good rundown of the issues, including the most important part, the restrictions.

By: cubedweller

cubedweller — Sun, 11 Sep 2005 15:37:42 -0800

Wow, this is pretty exciting - it sounds like we avoid the restrictions and will just walk away with the cash. I have a pretty good job but this appears to be one of those once in a lifetime opportunities (no kids or anything at the moment.) I can't envision myself being able to do this again until I retire.

By: yclipse

yclipse — Sun, 11 Sep 2005 16:32:59 -0800

There is a lot to be said for taking $50,000 of the money for an extended trip, and then using the rest as a down payment on your next house. If you buy a $300K house, that means that you will only be servicing a $100K mortgage, allowing you to opt for a 12 or 15 year term, make additional principal payments, etc.

If and when you have kids, you will appreciate having had the foresight.

By: cubedweller

cubedweller — Sun, 11 Sep 2005 17:39:08 -0800

Ahh I wish there $300k houses in this area. We're looking at $700k for 1500sqft. But I think that's the plan, take a small percentage of the money and then put the rest away. Any ideas on where to put the money? CD? Savings? Stock Market?

By: geoff.

geoff. — Sun, 11 Sep 2005 19:47:38 -0800

Prudent investing should get you at least 7%. You don't want to go too risky, talk to a financial advisor about setting up a trust. This is too important and too much money to take risks with. CD is pretty bad way to keep your money. Most people who use CDs right use it for such things as bonuses and other "small amounts" they don't want to invest long-term but don't want to have it languishing in an a savings account. Savings is probably the worst way you could spend your money.

If you'll be going for long, why not buy a house and rent it out? Factor in variable rising home costs with rent and you should make off nicely. Of course there are all sorts of issues there you'll have to deal with, especially concerning maitenance. If you're near a college and can rent to students under the table that'd be the best way. Renting out to a sophomore will guarentee they'd be out in two years, or if they're not it won't be as bad morally as kicking out a family with kids.

By: Jon-o

Jon-o — Sun, 11 Sep 2005 20:12:16 -0800

I agree with geoff. Take at least $200k and invest it. Don't do it yourself, though. Have an experienced investment manager do it for you. They can invest it in such a way that it's focused on long-term growth (if you're thinking about your kids) or generating income. $200k in investments can very easily generate enough income that the returns themselves would essentially subsidize the mortgage payments on your next house (if you get a 30 year mortgage and keep your monthly payments relatively low, that is).

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By: borkingchikapa

borkingchikapa — Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:12:05 -0800

Good lord, if you spend $50,000 traveling for six months, you're doing something wrong.

By: borkingchikapa

borkingchikapa — Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:14:05 -0800

Er, by that I meant "There's no way you could ever spend $50,000 traveling for six months unless you're paying someone to do all the work for you."

By: delmoi

delmoi — Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:53:09 -0800

buy a couple (or at least one) berkshire-hathaway share.

By: delmoi

delmoi — Sun, 11 Sep 2005 23:00:10 -0800

Check it out about 21% average APR since 1965. That's compared to the S&P which gained an average of 10% a year. $100 invested in the S&P in '65 would net about $5k today. $100 invested in BRK.B the same year would be worth $286k.

But, one share costs $83,750. If I had the cash I would try to get one of those shares.

By: delmoi

delmoi — Sun, 11 Sep 2005 23:00:52 -0800

sorry, brk.a, not .b. Actualy I have no idea. BRK.B only costs $2,000 some per share. I'm not sure what the diffrence is.

By: kindall

kindall — Sun, 11 Sep 2005 23:31:22 -0800

BRK.B is one-thirtieth of a share of BRK.A. BRK.B does not have voting rights so it is slightly undervalued by comparison to BRK.A, but not by much. They move essentially in lockstep. So whichever fits your budget is the one to buy.

As a bonus, all Berkshire shareholders are entitled to a discount on insurance through GEICO, which they own.

I'd put the money into Berkshire or even an S&P index (though I'd also suggest getting some foreign exposure with something like the VWO, EEM, or EFA exchange-traded funds). Very few investment managers can beat the market, let alone Warren Buffett and companies.

By: jruckman

jruckman — Mon, 12 Sep 2005 01:33:32 -0800

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By: poppo

poppo — Mon, 12 Sep 2005 05:25:44 -0800

Good lord, if you spend $50,000 traveling for six months, you're doing something wrong.

I would say that's doing it right!

By: MattD

MattD — Mon, 12 Sep 2005 06:44:37 -0800

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