Comments on: Mi Casa es Su Casa Tambien!

Question: Mi Casa es Su Casa Tambien!

billysumday — Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:21:28 -0800

How did the phrase "mi casa, su casa" become such a common phrase in America?

By: cmonkey

cmonkey — Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:31:41 -0800

It was one of those phrases I learned early on in Spanish I in high school. I suspect many others did, as well.

By: cmonkey

cmonkey — Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:33:24 -0800

if, y'know, they didn't grow up knowing such a phrase.

By: Carbolic

Carbolic — Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:52:34 -0800

Mexican restaurant adverts maybe.

By: buzzman

buzzman — Wed, 24 Aug 2005 20:45:26 -0800

Never as a linguist did I hear it a once.

By: Mo Nickels

Mo Nickels — Wed, 24 Aug 2005 20:48:09 -0800

Spanish has a surprisingly large role in American English. I say "surprisingly" because most Americans don't realize it. It has less of a role in British English, though the red-faced white-bellied Brit holidaymakers who roll up on the Spanish beaches every year do bring some of the language home. For Yanks, hundreds of years of proximity and intercultural mingling have had a greater effect.

There are any number of terms of Spanish origin in widespread American usage that are less familiar, or mostly unfamiliar, to Anglophones elsewhere. Maybe somebody can make a list; it's too late at night for me.

By: vacapinta

vacapinta — Wed, 24 Aug 2005 20:58:23 -0800

macho
hombre
lassoo
rodeo
patio
'mi casa es su casa'
'vaya con dios'
'que sera, sera'
amigo

ah, hell, everybody know the first "american" cowboys were Mexicans :)

By: wendell

wendell — Wed, 24 Aug 2005 21:10:25 -0800

I learned it as mi casa es su casa, which does sound cooler than the direct English translation: "My house is your house."

And some of these "Mexicanisms" started out as titles of songs sung by Gringos: "Vaya Con Dios" - Les Paul & Mary Ford, "Que Sera, Sera" - Doris Day.

By: wendell

wendell — Wed, 24 Aug 2005 21:11:16 -0800

(I shouldn't say 'started out' - they were POPULARIZED by the songs)

By: bunglin jones

bunglin jones — Wed, 24 Aug 2005 21:20:37 -0800

People say it here in Australia, too. I've always thought its popularity here was due almost solely to its use in "Pulp Ficition"(where that ginger-haired drug dealer played by an actor whose name I can't remember says it to Vincent). I doubt whether many of the people who use it in Australia would have even heard the phrase before they saw the film. I realise this doesn't STRICTLY help you regarding America, but ... you know...

By: hilker

hilker — Wed, 24 Aug 2005 22:23:02 -0800

wendell may be on to something.

By: benzo8

benzo8 — Wed, 24 Aug 2005 23:46:03 -0800

While wendell may have learned it with the "es", the aphorism is truly "Mi case, su casa", even here in Spain. As for it's popularity - I guess popular culture (songs, Pulp Fiction, et al) will have had something to do with it, but I guess the reality is this - people are pretentious - they like to slip foreign language phrases or words into what they say, and "Mi casa, su casa" is really easy for most people to remember and it conveys an attractive "Aren't I generous?" attitude while saying "And I'm clever and multilingual too"...

By: ibeji

ibeji — Thu, 25 Aug 2005 06:24:41 -0800

ginger-haired drug dealer played by an actor whose name I can't remember

dude, that was Stoltz! I hear he & James Spader are like best buds, which cracks me up...

Oh, right. This may not help *much* but I saw Bill Burroughs use "vaya con dios" in a letter from the 1940s so it's at least that old. My second generation Mexican grandma (from Michigan) never used "mi casa es su casa": I first heard the phrase when I was 15 and a friend's mom (2nd generation California Mexican) said it to me. I said, "Como?" and she laughed, hard. Bad Mexican, bad!

By: LionIndex

LionIndex — Thu, 25 Aug 2005 07:55:22 -0800

The simplest explanation is that we basically took over a third of Mexico in the 1840s. If "mi casa, su casa" is a common expression in Spain, it would most likely also be common in Mexico.

To add to vacapinta's list, I believe "mosey" and "vamoose" of the standard American cowboy dialect are generally derivative of "vamos"

By: signal

signal — Thu, 25 Aug 2005 08:09:29 -0800

I have never heard a single Spanish speaker say "mi casa, su casa" or "que será, será", or any variation, in South, Central or North America or Spain.

By: billysumday

billysumday — Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:30:53 -0800

I think that maybe "Pulp Fiction" comes closest to explaining why it's so prevalent and common among people of at least my generation (late twenties).

Never as a linguist did I hear it a once.
posted by buzzman at 8:45 PM PST on August 24

Wow. Having lived in Indiana, Ohio, New York, Chicago, Berkeley, and LA, I've got to ask: what do linguists do? I heard it everywhere I went, from lots of different kinds of people.

By: vacapinta

vacapinta — Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:31:34 -0800

What signal said. I have heard the term "Esta en su casa" ("You are in your home") but never, as a Mexican-American who has grown up partly in Mexico (parents born and raised there) have I heard "mi casa es su casa"

By: signal

signal — Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:50:23 -0800

billysumday writes 'I heard it everywhere I went, from lots of different kinds of people.'

Did any of those people speak Spanish fluently? Not snarking, I honestly want to know.

By: billysumday

billysumday — Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:54:03 -0800

No, none of them did.

By: escabeche

escabeche — Thu, 25 Aug 2005 11:27:22 -0800

Also, I've heard that "hoosegow" is a derivative of "juzgado."

By: LionIndex

LionIndex — Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:26:16 -0800

but never, as a Mexican-American who has grown up partly in Mexico (parents born and raised there) have I heard "mi casa es su casa"

From some of your other posts, I've gathered that you've spent time in San Diego, right? And you never heard it here? I hear it all the time, and I certainly heard it prior to Pulp Fiction's release.

By: gramschmidt

gramschmidt — Thu, 25 Aug 2005 13:56:01 -0800

Also, what's the difference between a lasso and a "lassoo", mentioned by vacapinta above? As far as I can tell, the latter is a misspelling of the former, but it's not uncommon.

Oh, damn these rider questions.

By: languagehat

languagehat — Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:04:23 -0800

I have never heard a single Spanish speaker say "mi casa, su casa" or "que será, será", or any variation, in South, Central or North America or Spain.

Me neither (with the proviso that I've never been to Spain). This is not a Spanish phrase that migrated into English, it's a pseudo-Spanish phrase created by Americans. Like the French saying le talkie-walkie.

By: vacapinta

vacapinta — Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:04:47 -0800

From some of your other posts, I've gathered that you've spent time in San Diego, right?

Sorry, yes. I heard it all the time. I should be clearer.

This is a common phrase uttered by non-Spanish speakers and I've heard it in San Diego and in the general cultural sphere long before Pulp Fiction.

But I was seconding signal in that this phrase is not used by native Spanish speakers, that is, you don't hear it either by Spanish speakers in the US nor is it used in Spanish-speaking countries.

I dont know where the phrase came from but I'll assume it is from some movie or something. It does have a nice ring to it but its probably an invention from a book or movie or a saying by some character.

By: vacapinta

vacapinta — Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:12:12 -0800

Also, with its use of two possessives it might have been an example in a well-known primer:

mi casa
tu casa
su casa
etc.
and now let's practice with a sentence: "mi casa es su casa"

Although, unlike languagehat, I am willing to consider the possibility that this is an antiquated Mexican phrase which has passed out of common usage. I'll ask my Mexican grandparents what they think of it.

By: vacapinta

vacapinta — Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:18:24 -0800

On this page, for example, (by the Mexican language academy?) its listed as a Mexican regionalism.

Even if true, however, that does not answer the original question of how it entered into common usage in the U.S.

By: languagehat

languagehat — Thu, 25 Aug 2005 18:54:16 -0800

vacapinta, thanks for linking to that page: 1) because it reminds me I shouldn't shoot off my mouth so confidently without checking to make sure I know what I'm talking about, and 2) because it has this satisfying entry:

¡carajo! (De carajo 'pene, miembro viril', que es la fuente de varias exclamaciones eufemísticas como caramba, caray, caracoles.) interj. que denota gran enfado o disgusto. | del carajo. 1. loc. adj. Malo, difícil, complicado. || 2. loc. adv. Mal. Compárese (de la) chingada. || llevárselo a alguien el carajo. loc. Enojarse. Compárese (llevárselo a alguien la) chingada. || ¡me lleva el carajo! exclam. de protesta o sorpresa. Compárese (¡me lleva la) chingada! Son expresiones malsonantes.

"Malsonantes"—what a delicate word for such an indelicate word!

By: dhartung

dhartung — Fri, 02 Sep 2005 23:35:49 -0800

A quick search of Google Groups shows neither mi casa, su casa or mi casa es su casa showing up before 1996, which tends to support the idea that this is a 90s fad. It may well have been popularized by Pulp Fiction, although I swear I remember some oily TV character using it before that (Dan Fielding on Night Court?).

From a bit of googling it does seem like mi casa es su casa definitely has an intentional Southwestern gloss, as a kind of tourist slogan in places like San Diego and Austin. Commercial usage probably helped.