Comments on: Just got fired. Interested in suggestions for a career outside of finance.

Question: Just got fired. Interested in suggestions for a career outside of finance.

Anonymous — Sun, 18 Nov 2012 10:42:13 -0800

Just got fired. Interested in suggestions for a career outside of finance.

I got laid off on Friday as part of a restructuring. They told me it was not performance-related. I was a junior trader at a NYC investment bank. I have over 3 years work experience, all in finance, and my undergrad and master's are in technical subjects.

I wasn't very happy in that job, and I used to secretly fantasize about getting fired so I could do something else with my life. I liked the relatively high pay, and I found some parts of the job exciting, like working a live, high risk order, but I loathed other parts of it, especially the rigid dedovshchina-like hierarchy of juniors and seniors, and the long hours (55-60 hours a week). I was stuck with doing all the shitty tasks nobody else wanted to do but had to be done, which is fine as part of paying dues, but it felt like I was just being used indefinitely and there were no opportunities to progress. My instincts were proven correct when I got the call to the HR floor on Friday.

Now I am free from that job but facing the worrying prospect of having no income while paying high rent in Manhattan. I have enough savings to live for about two years assuming I spend sparingly (rarely eating out, buying inexpensive groceries, no purchases of non-essential items). I'd love to take a break for a while, do some reading, introspection, etc. but I feel like it will get more difficult to find a job the longer I'm out of one.

The most obvious course of action is to apply for other jobs in finance, but part of me doesn't want to continue down that route. Not having to go to that job anymore lifted a huge burden off of my shoulders. Oddly enough, being unemployed has restored my self-esteem. My low status at work was making me depressed and affecting my health. Unfortunately I got axed before gaining enough experience to qualify for a more senior role elsewhere, and I'm not willing to be a junior all over again - plus it's very rare for firms to hire people externally for that sort of role even if I wanted one.

I want to explore career paths outside of finance. Besides my finance knowledge (which is largely non-transferrable to other fields), I'm very skilled at building Excel spreadsheets and automating manual tasks through Excel, VBA, and scripting languages. I can program in a few languages (e.g. C++) but not at the level of a professional developer - more like somebody who went through a few textbooks at home and dabbled in a few personal projects. In general, I'm a technically-minded, analytical person who likes to solve problems. I tend to jury rig Excel/script-based solutions to things until IT can develop a more permanent solution. I've often been put into the role of impromptu project manager in the past for various new technology projects. I speak several "unusual" languages (i.e. not French or Spanish) and I love traveling. I like reading about language and history.

Ideally, I just want a "normal" work environment. I would work around 40-50 hours a week without any shame for not putting in more hours. There would be mutual respect between junior and senior people, e.g. it would be considered inappropriate for a senior person to throw a credit card onto a junior person's desk and order them to procure double cheeseburgers from Shake Shack. Senior people would give constructive criticism rather than snapping at juniors and scolding them like children. I don't mind working long hours when there is actual work to be done, but I'm against reporting in at some arbitrarily early hour, sitting around idly waiting for the seniors to leave, or putting in "face time." I've toyed with idea of being a freelance translator or opening my own restaurant, but I don't have any experience in either. Obviously the higher the pay the better, but for now I'm just looking to make a decent middle-class living (which can be quite tough in this city).

I'm looking for suggestions for new career paths that someone with my background in NYC could realistically pursue. Ironically, it was advice from Ask MeFi many years ago that led me to this career path to begin with, so here I am again. Thanks in advance.

By: dfriedman

dfriedman — Sun, 18 Nov 2012 11:06:39 -0800

There is a large and growing community of ex-wallstreeters-turned-entrepreneurs in NYC.

If you know people in the startup community here in NYC, reach out to them. Lots of opportunities there.

By: the young rope-rider

the young rope-rider — Sun, 18 Nov 2012 11:15:20 -0800

Business analyst consulting sounds like it might be a good fit for you.

By: dfriedman

dfriedman — Sun, 18 Nov 2012 11:15:30 -0800

Sorry, meant to add to the above: I am an ex-Wall Streeter turned entrepreneur. Feel free to reach out to me if you have questions. My email is in my profile.

By: forforf

forforf — Sun, 18 Nov 2012 11:20:55 -0800

I just popped in to say that you weren't fired, you were layed-off due to restructuring.
Fired (at least in my professional circles) means you were (forcibly) removed from your position, but the position remained.

To put it another way, firing is personal, layed-off is just business.

They both suck though.

By: 26.2

26.2 — Sun, 18 Nov 2012 11:21:13 -0800

Besides my finance knowledge (which is largely non-transferable to other fields),

Rethink that. I work in healthcare (previously in the energy sector and in logistics). All of those fields have finance divisions, corporate Treasury, etc. Your skills are most certainly transferable.

By: violetk

violetk — Sun, 18 Nov 2012 11:28:07 -0800

Wanted to elaborate on being fired vs laid off. If you were fired, the cause was most likely a performance based one and will most likely replace you with someone whereas getting laid off indicates that they have eliminated your position and won't be replacing you. The most important difference to you would be that if you were laid off you can collect unemployment whereas you wouldn't be able to if you were fired. Going forward, you need to distinguish between the two when you talk about your career/work situations.

By: LobsterMitten

LobsterMitten — Sun, 18 Nov 2012 11:59:51 -0800

Followup from OP:

Just wanted to follow up. I know the difference between being fired and being laid off. I was laid off. Don't want it to derail the question. Thanks.

By: the young rope-rider

the young rope-rider — Sun, 18 Nov 2012 12:53:09 -0800

Great, although I should clarify for those reading that even if you're fired you can usually get unemployment.

In terms of business analysts, the ones I know who are in those positions travel all the time, but not necessarily to anywhere cool. Your knowledge of niche languages might make you a good catch for an international consulting firm.

By: ukdanae

ukdanae — Sun, 18 Nov 2012 13:20:57 -0800

Why not think about becoming a Data Scientist? It's a combination of stats, code, and problem-solving that sounds like it might suit you well -- it's also a very in-demand job at the moment, both in and out of finance.

By: CruiseSavvy

CruiseSavvy — Sun, 18 Nov 2012 13:32:47 -0800

Definitely business analyst - and if you do this at a real company rather than a consulting firm, the hours and travel will usually be much better. If you'd consider the SF Bay Area, my team at PayPal is hiring. We also have a similar position in Boston. We're mostly consulting or finance "escapees" and pretty serious about having a normal life while doing cool work with smart, nice people. For someone coming from Finance with strong Excel skills and some programming experience, could be a great fit.

By: moammargaret

moammargaret — Sun, 18 Nov 2012 13:37:15 -0800

Sounds like you might be a good fit for a consulting/audit-support/"value-add" role at an accounting firm.

By: A Terrible Llama

A Terrible Llama — Sun, 18 Nov 2012 17:40:16 -0800

I think you kind of need to start by considering industries that appeal to you. People that make products or produce services that you feel are valuable. It sounds like you have a quality skill set that could translate well to many industries.

By: AppleTurnover

AppleTurnover — Sun, 18 Nov 2012 18:12:11 -0800

Perhaps not helpful, but are you sure you didn't just hate that particular workplace and that particular position with that company? I only say that, because my happiness in my jobs was usually defined by how well I liked my co-workers and how valued I felt rather than the actual work itself.

And, well, your earning potential in finance is very high. I don't know a lot about finance, but I have a friend who started at a NYC investment firm doing trading, and now he is a portfolio manager and makes like a million dollars a year. That said, he works very long hours, he is always on call and his bonuses are attached to him staying there for a certain amount of time, so he feels trapped. But the kind of money you make in finance you can't easily make in any other sector, so just keep that in mind. Money doesn't motivate everyone - if it did, everyone would probably go into finance, haha.

By: cupcake1337

cupcake1337 — Sun, 18 Nov 2012 19:56:10 -0800

Ideally, I just want a "normal" work environment. I would work around 40-50 hours a week without any shame for not putting in more hours. There would be mutual respect between junior and senior people, e.g. it would be considered inappropriate for a senior person to throw a credit card onto a junior person's desk and order them to procure double cheeseburgers from Shake Shack. Senior people would give constructive criticism rather than snapping at juniors and scolding them like children.

Be an actuary

By: mullacc

mullacc — Sun, 18 Nov 2012 20:20:02 -0800

Business school would be a logical next step. Your work experience probably qualifies you for a top tier school. Just don't pick a finance-focused program (Wharton, Chicago).

By: rainydayfilms

rainydayfilms — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 05:34:49 -0800

Besides my finance knowledge (which is largely non-transferable to other fields),

Rethink that. I work in healthcare (previously in the energy sector and in logistics). All of those fields have finance divisions, corporate Treasury, etc. Your skills are most certainly transferable.

Seconded - your finance knowledge is incredibly transferable. Did you like the work? (analysis, excel, etc?) It sounds like you hated the environment at a large investment bank, which is normal. If you like the work in finance you can build a career in almost any industry in either a finance or strategy team. Look for corporate level functions like strategic planning, strategic management, corporate finance at companies within industries you are interested in. You're looking for an Analyst or Senior Analyst level position.

The work/life balance at an investment bank is vastly worse than a similar job in industry. And you'll get a lot more respect because people will think you are smart and you'll be working with senior level people in most cases. If you decide you want to do something else within the company there will be opportunity to move amongst functions either at the same company or a different company - that's why the industry is relevant to identify.

In the interview process make sure you are learning as much as possible about the working culture and how much they respect employees. You want a boss who appreciates your work and treats you like a human being with interests outside of work. You can absolutely find something that is a much, much better experience than what you have been doing!

By: Ruthless Bunny

Ruthless Bunny — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 07:39:38 -0800

I too was laid off, now I'm a Data Analyst with a software company and I sit in my cube and shift between doing Excel Spreadsheets and surfing Metafilter.

I'm making about 1/2 of what I used to make as a Data Engineer, but I'm perfectly okay with it.

Low stress, decently interesting work, and a 10 minute commute. Also, casual environment, so jeans if I want to.

File for unemployment.

Start looking for jobs on LinkedIn/Simply Hired

Enjoy the break between jobs.

I do recommend setting up a daily schedule.

7-8 Gym

8-830 Breakfast

830-9 Shower

9-12 Review all jobs on line and submit resumes.

12-1 Lunch, with friends, or at home.

1- 4, learn new skills (Salesforce.com is an excellent, marketable skill)

4-7 Network, meet friends for drinks, pet the cat.

Good luck!

By: Doohickie

Doohickie — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 07:43:48 -0800

My brother is a financial planner with AXA (not an endorsement, just is). Anyway, he had a strong business/sales background but had to get a lot of training in the finance side. You already have the finance stuff (although you would need to get the part about selling securities to consumers). The thing that seems to appeal to him is that he truly is his own boss. If he fails to meet certain very basic minimums, it raise eyebrows, or if he pisses someone off, they might go over his head to corporate, but really, he manages his own business and takes care of his customers. It's all up to him (with help from an admin that he shares with another AXA advisor).

By: the young rope-rider

the young rope-rider — Wed, 21 Nov 2012 08:25:41 -0800

If you contact me I can send you an analyst position in a good work environment.