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	<title>Comments on: Chopping open the onion</title>
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	<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2012 15:42:05 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Question: Chopping open the onion</title>
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		<description>I want to read about the dark side of the Internet, preferably in the form of a narrative. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; I just finished reading &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0307588696/metafilter-20/ref=nosim/&quot;&gt;Kingpin: How One Hacker Took Over the Billion-Dollar Cybercrime Underground&lt;/a&gt; in about 2 days and while I would have liked a little more fleshing out of the characters, the underground criminal world portrayed fascinated me. I&apos;m looking for more books that have the cat-and-mouse element and the paranoia of the world of cybercrime.&lt;br&gt;
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 I&apos;ve browsed using Tor out of curiosity before, so I don&apos;t really have a threshold for how dark it gets. Books, longform journalism, even documentaries about hacking, trafficking, drugs, etc. involving the internet it what I&apos;m after. I&apos;d prefer nonfiction, but obviously I&apos;d be open to any suggestions of fictitious portrayals. Bonus points for great characterization.&lt;br&gt;
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Basically I want anything that will make my mother want to stay off the Internet forever.</description>
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		<dc:creator>Echobelly</dc:creator>
		
			<category>hacking</category>
		
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		<title>By: availablelight</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/223541/Chopping-open-the-onion#3232239</link>	
		<description>A great starting point, if you haven&apos;t already done so, is a search at&lt;br&gt;
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www.longform.org&lt;br&gt;
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and&lt;br&gt;
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www.longreads.com</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2012 15:46:39 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Adam_S</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/223541/Chopping-open-the-onion#3232260</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0307592936/metafilter-20/ref=nosim/&quot;&gt;Dark Market by Misha Glenny&lt;/a&gt; is non-fiction and is definitely has the cat-and-mouse element you&apos;re looking for.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2012 16:08:26 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: maxim0512</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/223541/Chopping-open-the-onion#3232300</link>	
		<description>Here are a couple recent articles that are quite good:&lt;br&gt;
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&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wired.com/magazine/2011/01/ff_hackerville_romania/&quot;&gt;How a Remote Town in Romania Has Become Cybercrime Central&lt;/a&gt; from &lt;i&gt;Wired&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;br&gt;
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&lt;a href=&quot;&quot;&gt;The Hacker is Watching&lt;/a&gt; from &lt;i&gt;GQ&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;br&gt;
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A few years old, Bruce Schneier&apos;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0470395354/metafilter-20/ref=nosim/&quot;&gt;Schneier on Security&lt;/a&gt; is a decent collection of non-fiction essays by one of the best minds in the field.&lt;br&gt;
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For fiction, try &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1250007305/metafilter-20/ref=nosim/&quot;&gt;Zero Day by Mark Russinovich&lt;/a&gt;. He&apos;s a well-regarded IT security guy, so the novel has a lot of realistic elements.&lt;br&gt;
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Moving a bit farther from realism, but a fun read, is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0451228731/metafilter-20/ref=nosim/&quot;&gt;Daemon by Daniel Suarez&lt;/a&gt;. Also, its sequel, &lt;a href=&quot;&quot;&gt;Freedom&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br&gt;
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If you&apos;re interested in the topic, I also recommend reading &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.krebsonsecurity.com&quot;&gt;Brian Krebs&apos;s blog&lt;/a&gt;. He does great investigative journalism into the cybercriminal underground.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2012 16:43:13 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Nonsteroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drug</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/223541/Chopping-open-the-onion#3232311</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cuckoo%27s_Egg&quot;&gt;The Cuckoo&apos;s Egg&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt; by Cliff Stoll has got to be the definitive tracking-down-a-hacker account.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2012 16:54:04 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Quietgal</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/223541/Chopping-open-the-onion#3232317</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0802119832/metafilter-20/ref=nosim/&quot;&gt;Worm:  The First Digital World War&lt;/a&gt; by Mark Bowden is a nonfiction account of the Conficker worm that appeared in 2008.  Not terribly dark - it deals mostly with the &quot;white hats&quot; who tried to defeat it - but an interesting story of cybercrime versus cybersecurity.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2012 17:02:54 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: MonkeyToes</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/223541/Chopping-open-the-onion#3232396</link>	
		<description>Fiction, but definitely about the dark side of the internet: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0441020348/metafilter-20/ref=nosim/&quot;&gt;&quot;Rule 34&quot;&lt;/a&gt; by (MeFi&apos;s own) Charles Stross.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2012 18:12:08 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ReBoMa</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/223541/Chopping-open-the-onion#3232464</link>	
		<description>another from Wired: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/07/how-digital-detectives-deciphered-stuxnet/all/1&quot;&gt;How Digital Detectives Deciphered Stuxnet, the Most Menacing Malware in History&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2012 19:24:54 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: PSB</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/223541/Chopping-open-the-onion#3234215</link>	
		<description>Ghost in the Wires by Kevin Mitnick is great.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2012 07:45:17 -0800</pubDate>
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