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May 31, 2012 1:00 PM   Subscribe

Pleases help finalize my mid-range PC Desktop.

Earlier this month I asked for advice about a new PC.

After looking around online for ideas, I decided that I'd probably purchase 2012 Paladin E from Ibuypower.com

2012 Paladin E

1 x Case ( NZXT Source 210 Gaming Case - Black )
1 x iBUYPOWER Labs - Internal Expansion ( iBUYPOWER Internal USB Expansion System )
1 x Processor ( Intel® Core™ i5-3570K Processor (4x 3.40GHz/6MB L3 Cache) - Intel Core i5-3570K )
1 x Processor Cooling ( Liquid CPU Cooling System [SOCKET-1155] - Standard 120mm Fan )
1 x Memory ( 8 GB [4 GB X2] DDR3-1600 Memory Module - Kingston HyperX )
1 x Video Card ( NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 Ti - 1GB - FREE Upgrade to GTX 560 Ti EVGA Superclocked - Single Card )
1 x Video Card Brand ( Major Brand Powered by AMD or NVIDIA )
1 x Motherboard ( [SLI] ASUS Sabertooth Z77 -- 2x PCI-E 3.0 x16, 4x USB 3.0 )
1 x Power Supply ( 750 Watt - Corsair CMPSU-750TXV2 - Free Upgrade to 850 Watt Corsair CMPSU-850TXV2 ($20 Savings) )
1 x Primary Hard Drive ( 1 TB HARD DRIVE -- 32M Cache, 7200 RPM, 6.0Gb/s - Single Drive )
1 x Data Hard Drive ( 500 GB HARD DRIVE -- 16M Cache, 7200 RPM, 6.0Gb/s - Single Drive )
1 x Optical Drive ( 24X Dual Format/Double Layer DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW Drive - Black )
1 x Sound Card ( 3D Premium Surround Sound Onboard )
1 x Network Card ( Onboard LAN Network (Gb or 10/100) )
1 x Operating System ( Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium + Office Starter 2010 (Includes basic versions of Word and Excel) - 64-Bit )

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=$1366 +70$ SH


I think this set-up looks fine for my general use. I'm still undecided about the Video Card, but I think it should work fine with my plans. However, if there's something strange or odd about my choices any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks.
posted by chrono_rabbit to Computers & Internet (13 answers total)
 
I would definitely encourage you to order the parts and build it yourself. It really isn't hard and you'll save some money, get better components, or both.

That is WAY more system than you need for general use. With that processor, you don't even need the $300 graphics card unless you're doing some gaming (even then, old games run find with the on-die graphics on Ivy Bridge CPUs).

I would skip the second hard drive and either opt for an SSD for the OS and programs or a single larger main drive.

I also probably wouldn't mess with liquid cooling either.
posted by VTX at 1:34 PM on May 31, 2012


I'll probably change the liquid cooling option before I complete the order.

Hmm, any cheaper video cards will be welcomed. I was looking around for under $200 initially, since I wanted a mid-range gaming desktop.
posted by chrono_rabbit at 1:50 PM on May 31, 2012


You may wish to run your part list by r/buildapc.
posted by dgeiser13 at 2:47 PM on May 31, 2012


The dual hard drives seem a bit weird. It's likely to be cheaper just to get a single 2TB - or at least get a small SSD boot drive and a 1TB data drive. Will be a noticeable boost in performance all around.

The power supply may also be overkill for that machine.

I'd drop the liquid cooling.
posted by Sonic_Molson at 3:36 PM on May 31, 2012


That's way overkill for your needs (as expressed in your previous question), and even then it's too expensive for what it does. The Sabertooth in particular is overkill (your motherboard doesn't have an effect on performance), and you don't need multiple HDD (backups are best kept on an external drive, cost per gigabyte is lower with larger drives, and higher performance is achieved with an SSD, maybe a small SLC one combined with intel's SSD-caching software). You don't need an external video card for the MMO you mentioned; though the 560Ti is a fine choice if you want high-end gaming. A large power supply gets worse performance per watt, particularly since the system will be idle most of the time; processor TDP + video TDP + 50W is large enough estimate in practice.
posted by Tobu at 3:48 PM on May 31, 2012


Thanks for the replies so far, I made some edits:


1 x Case ( NZXT Source 210 Gaming Case - Black )
1 x iBUYPOWER Labs - Internal Expansion ( iBUYPOWER Internal USB Expansion System )
1 x Processor ( Intel® Core™ i5-3570K Processor (4x 3.40GHz/6MB L3 Cache) - Intel Core i5-3570K )
1 x Processor Cooling ( Certified CPU Fan and Heatsink )
1 x Memory ( 8 GB [4 GB X2] DDR3-1600 Memory Module - Kingston HyperX )
1 x Video Card ( NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 Ti - 2GB - Single Card )
1 x Video Card Brand ( Major Brand Powered by AMD or NVIDIA )
1 x Motherboard ( ASRock Z77 Extreme4 -- 2x PCI-E 3.0 x16, 4x USB 3.0 )
1 x Power Supply ( 650 Watt - Casegears ECO-Element / 80+ )
1 x Primary Hard Drive ( 1 TB HARD DRIVE -- 32M Cache, 7200 RPM, 6.0Gb/s - Single Drive )
1 x Data Hard Drive ( 60 GB Intel 520 SSD - Single Drive )
1 x Optical Drive ( 24X Dual Format/Double Layer DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW Drive - Black )
1 x Sound Card ( 3D Premium Surround Sound Onboard )
1 x Network Card ( Onboard LAN Network (Gb or 10/100) )
posted by chrono_rabbit at 4:14 PM on May 31, 2012


1. I'd build it myself. Whether you do or don't is up to you. I put together the following PC with very close specs to the one you quote above for $1126.89 through Newegg (includes shipping, does not include sales tax, does not include mail-in rebates).

2. I'd drop the liquid cooling unless you really want to overclock the crap out of the system. The stock cooling for these processors is reasonable, and better air cooling is cheap.

3. The hard drive setup is awkward. I'd go with a 120GB SSD for boot/programs and a 2TB data storage/other program drive. If you don't want an SSD, then just get one 2TB Hard Drive.

4. You are still building the PC to be overkill for the needs you explained. Whether you want to do that is up to you. Changes that can easily be made to the computer below to drop the price by up to another $350:
Video Card - AMD Radeon 6850 - $140
SSD - None
Cooling - Stock Intel Cooling (comes with processor)
Processor - i3-2120 at $125, i5-2310 at $180 or i5-3450 at $200
Hard Drive - 1TB at $100
Power Supply - Corsair 600W at $70

The setup I did on Newegg for the comparable PC through iBuyPower:
Case - NZXT Source 210 S210-001 Black “Aluminum Brush / Plastic” ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - $39.99
Processor, Motherboard, Memory Combo Deal - $424.97
Processor - Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I53570K
Motherboard - GIGABYTE GA-Z77X-UD3H LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Memory - CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9R
Video Card - ZOTAC AMP! ZT-50302-10M GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card $209.99
Power Supply - CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX650 V2 650W ATX12V v2.31/ EPS12V v2.92 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC High Performance Power ... - $89.99
SSD - Mushkin Enhanced Chronos MKNSSDCR120GB 2.5" 120GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) - $89.99
Hard Drive - SAMSUNG EcoGreen F4 HD204UI 2TB SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive - $119.99
Cooling - COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO RR-212E-20PK-R2 Continuous Direct Contact 120mm Sleeve CPU Cooler Compatible with latest Intel ... - $33.99
Optical Drive - ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM - $17.99
Operating System - Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 32-bit - OEM - $99.99
Network - Onboard
Sound - Onboard

The above order also gets you a free 1-year extended warranty on the motherboard, $15 Newegg Gift Card, a 15ft USB Cable, $20 mail-in rebate card and a $30 mail in-rebate. I will emphasize that iBuyPower does build quality PCs and I've had rave reviews from a few friends, but damn do I have a hard time paying a $300 premium for an easy build.
posted by Mister Fabulous at 4:14 PM on May 31, 2012 [2 favorites]


If you know anyone in college, they might be able to get you a student version of Windows 7 for about $30.

Check out this site for information on the best graphics card for the money. There doesn't seem to be much for $200 but there are probably factory over clocked versions (and/or with better, quieter coolers) of their $170 recommendation for around that.
posted by VTX at 7:56 PM on May 31, 2012


I'd suggest a BD-ROM drive that does all your burning-- BD-R if you can swing it.

And I love my boot SSD-- Windows 7 boots in 25 seconds for me. Avoid Transcend SSDs and OCZ-- I've had bad luck with both. Kingston and Intel are good drives.
posted by Sunburnt at 10:21 PM on May 31, 2012


Just noticed a mistake on my part. Get 64-bit Windows 7, not 32-bit.
posted by Mister Fabulous at 11:20 PM on May 31, 2012


@ Mister Fabulous: Thanks for the detailed guide, but I'm hesitant about building my own PC because my friend described it as "building a fragile glass model, which a single mistake can waste god knows how much money."

I don't know anyone locally that knows how to build a PC either =/
posted by chrono_rabbit at 7:42 AM on June 1, 2012


Ahh, I'm just going to get it assembled at the local Microcenter for a fee.

Final Build Ideas

Just in case, anyone has a similar question about PCs.
posted by chrono_rabbit at 11:12 AM on June 1, 2012


Oh yeah, I forgot to mention Microcenter. If you've got one nearby, they were the only place I found that had lower prices than Newegg.

Building a PC isn't really that hard. You just have to be careful, don't force anything, go slow, and follow directions. Having a large, open case helps too. Most of the parts are a lot more durable than you think
posted by VTX at 12:46 PM on June 1, 2012


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