Comments on: What are appropriate contractions for "you would"?

Question: What are appropriate contractions for "you would"?

true — Tue, 19 Jul 2005 20:33:34 -0800

Are either or both of "you'd" / "you'ld" correct contractions for "you would"? Specifically asking about American usage, but any English language information would be appreciated.

By: jessamyn

jessamyn — Tue, 19 Jul 2005 20:34:59 -0800

I've never seen you'ld. I speak American English.

By: luneray

luneray — Tue, 19 Jul 2005 20:35:59 -0800

I've also never seen/heard "you'ld". I'm also from the US (West Coast).

By: sbutler

sbutler — Tue, 19 Jul 2005 20:36:30 -0800

I've never seen you'ld either. In fact, I'm not even sure how I'd pronounce it.

By: librarina

librarina — Tue, 19 Jul 2005 20:37:10 -0800

I've never seen "you'ld." I've seen and used "you'd" my whole life. I am a grammar/spelling stickler (native American English speaker). But I might be wrong.

On preview: Yay, I'm not alone.

By: Vidiot

Vidiot — Tue, 19 Jul 2005 20:41:09 -0800

"You'd" is fine. I have never seen "you'ld", ever. (American English, East Coast, chiefly the Southeast and Mid-Atlantic areas.)

By: librarina

librarina — Tue, 19 Jul 2005 20:41:25 -0800

Also, in cases like this where it helps to know the common usage, I google.

you'd has about 55,900,000 hits.
you'ld has 33,400, which is actually more than I expected.

By: jamesonandwater

jamesonandwater — Tue, 19 Jul 2005 20:50:54 -0800

It looks kinda nice, but this Irish gal has never seen you'ld either.

By: true

true — Tue, 19 Jul 2005 20:52:33 -0800

The initial exit polls seem to show a landslide for you'd. My wife would like you all to know that she is right and I am wrong on this subject. I have mentioned that this isn't exactly what a followup should be used for, but she does not care. Therefore, I was wrong. I hold out hope that "you'ld" is some sort of urbane British spelling and I can at least take comfort in that.

By: heatherann

heatherann — Tue, 19 Jul 2005 20:52:42 -0800

Considering that most of us do not pronouce the 'l' in 'would,' 'you'ld' seems very strange. For me, 'wood' and 'would' are pronounced identically, so I've only ever seen 'you'd'. (Well, until now...)

(note: Canadian English)

By: 5500

5500 — Tue, 19 Jul 2005 21:08:57 -0800

The OED cites several examples as 'ld as a contraction for would, all dating before 1700. As far as current usage goes, the dictionary specifically indicates that such a spelling is obsolete.

By: flabdablet

flabdablet — Tue, 19 Jul 2005 21:14:13 -0800

Never seen "you'ld" in Australia.

By: seawallrunner

seawallrunner — Tue, 19 Jul 2005 21:21:57 -0800

no you'ld in Canada either

By: bshort

bshort — Tue, 19 Jul 2005 21:27:37 -0800

"you'd", never "you'ld"

By: tellurian

tellurian — Tue, 19 Jul 2005 21:55:16 -0800

Hang on a minute! You'd better look harder.
Shakespeare - The Winter's Tale Act II, Scene I
Hark ye;
The queen your mother rounds apace: we shall
Present our services to a fine new prince
One of these days; and then you'ld wanton with us,
If we would have you.
And many [search for "you'ld" in full text area] others. true you are in illustrious company. Resurrect the you'ld.

By: ludwig_van

ludwig_van — Tue, 19 Jul 2005 22:41:38 -0800

I've never seen you'ld, but it makes sense. It explicitly differentiates between you'd as in "you would" and you'd as in "you had."

By: klangklangston

klangklangston — Tue, 19 Jul 2005 23:13:39 -0800

Tellurian: Shakespear made plenty of stuff up, and often changed words for meter.
You'ld is totally made up, especially with regard to contemporary English.
But hey, I once thought that it was "acrossed the street" and had to be peevishly proved wrong with a dictionary. Damn my Indiana parent and her vocal tics!

By: weapons-grade pandemonium

weapons-grade pandemonium — Tue, 19 Jul 2005 23:31:50 -0800

Shakespear made up you'ld?
Figures.

By: scody

scody — Wed, 20 Jul 2005 00:04:59 -0800

For fun: words coined by Shakespeare (in current usage).

Nope, "you'ld" doesn't make the list. ;)

By: altolinguistic

altolinguistic — Wed, 20 Jul 2005 01:12:51 -0800

I've seen 'you'ld' in older English (would reckon pre-19th century) but would never use it myself and have not seen it in contemporary writing. Brit here.

I don't think this is a pronunciation question; I'd imagine both are said in exactly the same way.

By: languagehat

languagehat — Wed, 20 Jul 2005 05:41:45 -0800

I'm not quite sure why you'd go to AskMeFi instead of a dictionary, but yes, it's you'd. Shakespeare is completely irrelevant to a question about 21st-century American usage (and I should point out that there was no such thing as "correct spelling' in his day), but since we're on the subject, that link in Scody's comment is worthless. Not only are they talking about words that are first attested in Shakespeare, not words he "made up," but they don't even get that right. For instance, here are the first few OED citations for ode:

1538 T. ELYOT Dict. s.v., Ode, a songe. 1579 SPENSER Shepheardes Cal. Dec. f. 51v, Horace of his Odes a work though ful indede of great wit & learning, yet of no so great weight and importaunce boldly sayth, [etc.]. 1589 G. PUTTENHAM Arte Eng. Poesie I. xxx. 47 Out of the primitiue Greeke & Latine, as Comedie, Tragedie, Ode, Epitaphe, Elegie, Epigramme, and other moe. 1598 SHAKESPEARE L.L.L. IV. iii. 97 Once more Ile reade the Odo [1623 Ode] that I haue writ.

Shakespeare did make up a few words, mostly fairly grandiloquent, but you can take it as a given that he didn't make up ordinary words like bet.

By: penguin pie

penguin pie — Wed, 20 Jul 2005 08:47:17 -0800

I hold out hope that "you'ld" is some sort of urbane British spelling and I can at least take comfort in that.

Sorry, never seen or heard you'ld in British English either.

By: nobody

nobody — Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:40:52 -0800

I've never seen you'ld, but it makes sense. It explicitly differentiates between you'd as in "you would" and you'd as in "you had."

But doesn't the context always differentiate between the two?

"You would" takes a present tense verb.

"You had" takes a past tense verb, or, colloquially, a "better" before the verb ("You'd better do it"). It's interesting that we never use "you'd" for "You had to do it."

Can you think of any ambiguous cases?