Special Mexican Cocoa
March 25, 2005 10:56 PM Subscribe
Does anyone have a good recipe for mexican hot chocolate that involves melting cocoa butter with ...ahem, smoking tobacco?
ooh, the combo of caffeine + nicotine in chocolaty form sounds oddly compelling.
posted by juv3nal at 1:43 AM on March 26, 2005
posted by juv3nal at 1:43 AM on March 26, 2005
... this does sound real nice though. Anyone know what kind of tobacco should be used?
posted by adzm at 3:04 AM on March 26, 2005
posted by adzm at 3:04 AM on March 26, 2005
Whoa, tobacco, Ladybonita have you tasted this combination? I really can't imagine what it would be like...Would one use a really dry powdery type of tobacco and aim to have it dissolve? It seems that one would have flecks of tobacco floating in the cocoa, kind of like tea leaves, I guess it could be strained before the final steps of pouring and garnish.
(I hope that the comments that follow do not digress to far from the original question, let me know.)
In a related vein I have been hoping to come across recipes for hot chocolate made with water as a base. My understanding, perhaps incorrect, is that this was the original or traditional liquid base used in Mexico and Central America. Perhaps this was only the wishful conjecture of someone who is tired of the emphasis being on milk and heavy cream....The name of the drink after all is "Hot Chocolate" not "Hot heavy Cream With Some cocoa Powder Mixed In"
I also assume that other spices, flavorings have been used to good end.
posted by flummox at 6:53 AM on March 26, 2005
(I hope that the comments that follow do not digress to far from the original question, let me know.)
In a related vein I have been hoping to come across recipes for hot chocolate made with water as a base. My understanding, perhaps incorrect, is that this was the original or traditional liquid base used in Mexico and Central America. Perhaps this was only the wishful conjecture of someone who is tired of the emphasis being on milk and heavy cream....The name of the drink after all is "Hot Chocolate" not "Hot heavy Cream With Some cocoa Powder Mixed In"
I also assume that other spices, flavorings have been used to good end.
posted by flummox at 6:53 AM on March 26, 2005
Wow, people really have trouble reading tags, don't they?
Flummox, a water-based hot chocolate is exactly what hautenegro doesn't need, since this use requires a large fat content for the extraction.
Here's a related OverGrow thread.
posted by jbrjake at 7:01 AM on March 26, 2005
Flummox, a water-based hot chocolate is exactly what hautenegro doesn't need, since this use requires a large fat content for the extraction.
Here's a related OverGrow thread.
posted by jbrjake at 7:01 AM on March 26, 2005
My first thought was of the tobacco as a flavoring agent not as a psychotropic. You are right though I did read a thin little book once on how to cook with marijuana and it was stated that the canabinoids could be extracted by being dissolved in fat, (high butter fat milk/cream with a dairy based hot cocoa), or alcohol. hautenegro are you going for flavor, mind alteration or both?
I wonder also if tobacco reacts the same way as MJ to fat and alcohol.
please excuse the milk/cream screed.
posted by flummox at 7:47 AM on March 26, 2005
I wonder also if tobacco reacts the same way as MJ to fat and alcohol.
please excuse the milk/cream screed.
posted by flummox at 7:47 AM on March 26, 2005
/me calls a spade a spade.
To extract the THC from the bud (leaves and all), boil it in water with what you consider to be an appropriate amount of butter. The fat in the butter will absorb the THC. BTW, this will really stink up the place and you need to boil it for a good 15 minutes.
Strain the water with cheese cloth, and let it cool, then scrape off the butter. You can mix that butter into just about any recipe although you don't want to cook it it too high a temperature or it'll burn the THC.
I suppose you could just use chocolate instead of butter in the above, it'll probably come out the same.
Me, I used the butter with honey on toast, worked like a charm.
posted by furtive at 7:53 AM on March 26, 2005
To extract the THC from the bud (leaves and all), boil it in water with what you consider to be an appropriate amount of butter. The fat in the butter will absorb the THC. BTW, this will really stink up the place and you need to boil it for a good 15 minutes.
Strain the water with cheese cloth, and let it cool, then scrape off the butter. You can mix that butter into just about any recipe although you don't want to cook it it too high a temperature or it'll burn the THC.
I suppose you could just use chocolate instead of butter in the above, it'll probably come out the same.
Me, I used the butter with honey on toast, worked like a charm.
posted by furtive at 7:53 AM on March 26, 2005
Best answer: What furtive said, minus the water. 'Nicotine' is fat soluble, so the water isn't necessary-- and indeed, water droplets will get in the butter, making it difficult to use. Moreover, butter will soak into the cheesecloth, which really would be a waste.
The best way I've seen is to take about an ounce of... tobacco shake, and 1lb of butter. Melt the butter over very low heat, add the... tobacco, and let simmer (stirring occasionally) for a good 1/2 hour at least. Strain through a chinois or other extremely fine metal strainer. Bonus: you can make clarified butter using this method, which is much easier for cooking with in a lot of dishes. This will, of course, make your house reek like... tobacco.
You can do the same with chocolate or cocoa butter, but I would suggest keeping a much closer eye on it.
derail > I think the reason most hot chocolate is made with milk or cream is the mouthfeel. The sensation on the tongue is far more luxurious when it's made with dairy products.
double-derail > I despise suggesting any of their products, but for an intense chocolate hit, try the Chantico drinking chocolate from $tarbucks. Great Galloping Ghu's Gigantic Gonads... that's some good shit there.
posted by dirtynumbangelboy at 8:20 AM on March 26, 2005 [2 favorites]
The best way I've seen is to take about an ounce of... tobacco shake, and 1lb of butter. Melt the butter over very low heat, add the... tobacco, and let simmer (stirring occasionally) for a good 1/2 hour at least. Strain through a chinois or other extremely fine metal strainer. Bonus: you can make clarified butter using this method, which is much easier for cooking with in a lot of dishes. This will, of course, make your house reek like... tobacco.
You can do the same with chocolate or cocoa butter, but I would suggest keeping a much closer eye on it.
derail > I think the reason most hot chocolate is made with milk or cream is the mouthfeel. The sensation on the tongue is far more luxurious when it's made with dairy products.
double-derail > I despise suggesting any of their products, but for an intense chocolate hit, try the Chantico drinking chocolate from $tarbucks. Great Galloping Ghu's Gigantic Gonads... that's some good shit there.
posted by dirtynumbangelboy at 8:20 AM on March 26, 2005 [2 favorites]
One component of solid chocolate IS cocoa butter, so any recipe using solid chocolate already has cocoa butter in it.
posted by abbyladybug at 9:14 AM on March 26, 2005
posted by abbyladybug at 9:14 AM on March 26, 2005
Okay, I know we're talking about "not-tobacco" here, but if we were, wouldn't the amount of nicotine extracted in this process be extremely high? I am a smoker, but you couldn't pay me to drink something made with tobacco-steeped water.
posted by Optimus Chyme at 9:19 AM on March 26, 2005
posted by Optimus Chyme at 9:19 AM on March 26, 2005
Ok Ok mea culpa I think that I have derailed this thread cause of my obtuse reading of hautenegros post, lets just forget about the whole straight tobacco thing.
Fat and alcohol are the solvents for the active ingredient. I think that odinsdream 's technique would make sense.
The thing to watch out for is ingesting a bunch of "tobacco" and having the active compound absorbed through the lower sections of the digestive tract. This causes one to wake up in the morning and realize that one is still enjoying, or not, the mood elevating properties of the "tobacco" that was ingested the afternoon before....Most recipes call for the "tobacco" to be removed from the fat/alcohol before they are incorporated into the recipe.
posted by flummox at 9:49 AM on March 26, 2005
Fat and alcohol are the solvents for the active ingredient. I think that odinsdream 's technique would make sense.
The thing to watch out for is ingesting a bunch of "tobacco" and having the active compound absorbed through the lower sections of the digestive tract. This causes one to wake up in the morning and realize that one is still enjoying, or not, the mood elevating properties of the "tobacco" that was ingested the afternoon before....Most recipes call for the "tobacco" to be removed from the fat/alcohol before they are incorporated into the recipe.
posted by flummox at 9:49 AM on March 26, 2005
I would definitely first make 'cannabutter' and then use it in any recipe that involves butter (brownies, bread, a drink of some sort). The THC is fat-soluble and will need to be simmering for at least 30 minutes (not too hot or you'll smell it burning) in the butter. One gram should be a very strong serving that kicks in after an hour or two and lasts for the next 5 or 6.
flummox, stop trying to act cool
posted by foraneagle2 at 10:10 AM on March 26, 2005
flummox, stop trying to act cool
posted by foraneagle2 at 10:10 AM on March 26, 2005
You recieve between .6 and 1.2 mg of nicotine in a cigarette. The amount of nicotine in two Camel Filters would kill you, if ingested all at once. Luckily smoking it is an inefficient process. Most drugs are alkalines, and as such exist in either a water-soluble salt or a fat/alcohol soluble freebase. Mm.. molecular polarity.
P.S. Just say Marijuana, damnit. It's obvious enough anyway.
posted by adzm at 10:25 AM on March 26, 2005
P.S. Just say Marijuana, damnit. It's obvious enough anyway.
posted by adzm at 10:25 AM on March 26, 2005
You might also want to try adding some lecithin to the hot cocoa. Some say lecithin aids in the digestion of THC.
posted by jbrjake at 11:31 AM on March 26, 2005
posted by jbrjake at 11:31 AM on March 26, 2005
For clarity's sake, can we please warn people that actual tobacco treated in this way will make you really sick, maybe worse?
I have old fashioned recipes for insecticide based on one ounce of tobacco steeped in a gallon of water, accompanied by the warning that it's potentially fatal when accidentally ingested. I actually think this thread is worth editing to make it impossible for someone who just reads the first few posts to try it with real tobacco.
posted by i_am_joe's_spleen at 12:29 PM on March 26, 2005
I have old fashioned recipes for insecticide based on one ounce of tobacco steeped in a gallon of water, accompanied by the warning that it's potentially fatal when accidentally ingested. I actually think this thread is worth editing to make it impossible for someone who just reads the first few posts to try it with real tobacco.
posted by i_am_joe's_spleen at 12:29 PM on March 26, 2005
adzm beat me to it.
posted by i_am_joe's_spleen at 12:30 PM on March 26, 2005
posted by i_am_joe's_spleen at 12:30 PM on March 26, 2005
The amount of nicotine in two Camel Filters would kill you, if ingested all at once. Link please? I knew a guy in high school who would eat cigs, one after another. He didn't seem to die as a result.
posted by found missing at 12:38 PM on March 26, 2005
posted by found missing at 12:38 PM on March 26, 2005
And, what about chewing tobacco, for christ's sake? Lot's of ingested nicotine there, I'd guess.
posted by found missing at 12:48 PM on March 26, 2005
posted by found missing at 12:48 PM on March 26, 2005
Link please?
google
From looking at some of the sites that brought up, it seems likely both that (i) the guy you knew was doing something incredibly dangerous, and (ii) it is likely that he didn't absorb the nicotine all at once. Also, I don't think you swallow chewing tobacco.
posted by advil at 2:00 PM on March 26, 2005
From looking at some of the sites that brought up, it seems likely both that (i) the guy you knew was doing something incredibly dangerous, and (ii) it is likely that he didn't absorb the nicotine all at once. Also, I don't think you swallow chewing tobacco.
posted by advil at 2:00 PM on March 26, 2005
Hey, turns out nicotine is quite toxic. Who'd have guessed? Seems to be a big problem for dogs, cats, and kids, but not much mention of adults killing themselves by eating tobacco.
posted by found missing at 2:13 PM on March 26, 2005
posted by found missing at 2:13 PM on March 26, 2005
While it's true that THC is fat soluble, not water soluble, one can make a quick cup of milky tea with it that works fine.
Get the mj powdered, resting in the bottom of a cup.
Boil water. Fill about 2/3 of the volume of the cup. (maybe a little less)
Top off with milk. Stir. Alternate stirring with drinking so that the powdered plant material goes down with the milky tea. The finer the plant powder, the less you will notice it in the tea.
No need for long boiling. Note that you are not making an infusion like with caffeine tea, merely carrying the pot into your stomach with hot water and milk. Works fine, try it and see.
posted by telstar at 2:56 PM on March 26, 2005
Get the mj powdered, resting in the bottom of a cup.
Boil water. Fill about 2/3 of the volume of the cup. (maybe a little less)
Top off with milk. Stir. Alternate stirring with drinking so that the powdered plant material goes down with the milky tea. The finer the plant powder, the less you will notice it in the tea.
No need for long boiling. Note that you are not making an infusion like with caffeine tea, merely carrying the pot into your stomach with hot water and milk. Works fine, try it and see.
posted by telstar at 2:56 PM on March 26, 2005
Holy crap. Just say Marijuana. Weed. Pot. Reefer. Ganja. Chronic. Dope. Mary Jane. Nugs. Greens. Whatever.
Tobacco is way more dangerous than marijuana anyway, stupid laws be damned.
Please, do not attempt this recipe with real "tobacco" tobacco. It will probably kill you, if not it'll make you so insanely sick you'll wish it had killed you.
I vote for editing this thread to replace the word tobacco w/ the word marijuana.
I'm a knowledgeable and experienced psychonaut. I smoke both tobacco and marijuana. And yet, even I'm sitting here wondering if there's some kind of obscure chemical reaction between the chocolate and sugars that renders the tobacco safely edible in that quantity. But, no. It's not.
Call a spade a spade and don't use cute euphemisms in a recipe. Even if it's just hot chocolate, it's a chemical formula of sorts - don't use placeholders. Own up to your own indulgences with a clear conscience without risking someone's life, will you?
Oh, and personal crankiness aside: That recipe looks absolutely delicious.
posted by loquacious at 2:57 PM on March 26, 2005
Tobacco is way more dangerous than marijuana anyway, stupid laws be damned.
Please, do not attempt this recipe with real "tobacco" tobacco. It will probably kill you, if not it'll make you so insanely sick you'll wish it had killed you.
I vote for editing this thread to replace the word tobacco w/ the word marijuana.
I'm a knowledgeable and experienced psychonaut. I smoke both tobacco and marijuana. And yet, even I'm sitting here wondering if there's some kind of obscure chemical reaction between the chocolate and sugars that renders the tobacco safely edible in that quantity. But, no. It's not.
Call a spade a spade and don't use cute euphemisms in a recipe. Even if it's just hot chocolate, it's a chemical formula of sorts - don't use placeholders. Own up to your own indulgences with a clear conscience without risking someone's life, will you?
Oh, and personal crankiness aside: That recipe looks absolutely delicious.
posted by loquacious at 2:57 PM on March 26, 2005
i don't know if this would be so good in hot chocolate ... but melted crisco works great for getting the thc out of the pot and into your recipes ... especially if you've got a lot of mediocre weed you don't want to smoke, but want to use
take a couple of cans and a whole shitload of so so weed ... at least a quarter pound ... melt the crisco ... don't boil! ... dump in the weed stir and stir until it turns real green, let it cool down a bit ... use cheesecloths to squeeze the melted crisco out of the cooked dope ... squeeze hard! ... when you've squeezed it all out, just throw the used leaves away, they're no good
pour the crisco into the crisco cans and allow to cool ... can be used in many recipes
i helped a dealer friend do this with a couple of pounds way back ... it was the old hippie way
posted by pyramid termite at 7:22 PM on March 26, 2005
take a couple of cans and a whole shitload of so so weed ... at least a quarter pound ... melt the crisco ... don't boil! ... dump in the weed stir and stir until it turns real green, let it cool down a bit ... use cheesecloths to squeeze the melted crisco out of the cooked dope ... squeeze hard! ... when you've squeezed it all out, just throw the used leaves away, they're no good
pour the crisco into the crisco cans and allow to cool ... can be used in many recipes
i helped a dealer friend do this with a couple of pounds way back ... it was the old hippie way
posted by pyramid termite at 7:22 PM on March 26, 2005
Crisco's really bad for you!!! Use butter.. NOT margerine.
It took me a while, reading.. and doing math in my head, figuring dosages. I thought you were really trying to cook with tobacco for a moment.. and was appalled. The dosage you're talking about COULD kill a child, if you were using tobacco.
DO the fat-soluble thing and strain it.. if you use marijuana. There's lots of pot-sites out there; I'm curious why AskMe is the place you asked this question.
posted by reflecked at 1:12 AM on March 27, 2005
It took me a while, reading.. and doing math in my head, figuring dosages. I thought you were really trying to cook with tobacco for a moment.. and was appalled. The dosage you're talking about COULD kill a child, if you were using tobacco.
DO the fat-soluble thing and strain it.. if you use marijuana. There's lots of pot-sites out there; I'm curious why AskMe is the place you asked this question.
posted by reflecked at 1:12 AM on March 27, 2005
Response by poster: Jesus Christ, my internet goes down for a weekend after posting a question and all hell breaks loose. Dudes, i'm talking about WEED! CHRONIC! STICKY ICKY! Not tobacco, I repeat, NOT TOBACCO! Hence the "ahem...tobacco" and the "marijuana" tag. Thank you all for your suggestions, I will try to get to it this week and maybe post a nice recipe for your enjoyment. And for any of you dumb enough to try this recipe with tobacco, see you in the emergency room pal!
posted by hautenegro at 8:41 AM on March 28, 2005
posted by hautenegro at 8:41 AM on March 28, 2005
Response by poster: And to answer reflecked question about why i chose Ask Metafilter: 1) why not? 2) I can't seem to find a recipe involving cocoa butter not just regular butter 3) As if "pot-sites" and AskMe are used by mutually exclusive readers
posted by hautenegro at 9:06 AM on March 28, 2005
posted by hautenegro at 9:06 AM on March 28, 2005
This thread is closed to new comments.
Regular for one
Ingredients
1 cup whole milk
1 cup light cream
1- 4 grams tobacco
5 ounces unsweetened chocolate
1/2 teaspoon vanilla
5 tabespoons sugar
1 pinch salt
1 pinch cinnamon
Directions
Combine the milk, sugar, and salt in a saucepan over medium heat. Once the salt and sugar have dissolved, add the light cream, cinnamon, vanilla, and finely chopped tobacco. Bring to just under a boil and add the chocolate. Turn the heat off, and stir until the chocolate has melted. Serve in a mug, and top with whipped cream and freshly grated nutmeg, or whip cream and orange zest, or stick to the classic marshmallows!
Or
Mexican for 6
Ingredients
6 cups milk
1/2 cup granulated sugar
4+ grams tobacco
3 ounces unsweetened Mexican-style chocolate, coarsely chopped
1 teaspoon ground cinnamon
1/4 teaspoon salt
2 eggs
2 teaspoons vanilla
Stick cinnamon (for optional garnish)
Directions
In a large saucepan, combine milk, sugar, tobacco, chocolate, ground cinnamon, and salt. Heat, stirring constantly, until the chocolate has melted and the milk is very hot. (Do not let the milk come to a boil.)
Beat 2 eggs in a mixing bowl. Stir in one cup of the hot mixture into the eggs, then return this mixture to the saucepan. Cook 2 to 3 minutes more over low heat, still stirring.
Remove from heat. Add vanilla. Beat with a molinillo or a rotary beater until it is very frothy. Pour into mugs, garnish with cinnamon sticks, and serve. Makes about 6 (8-ounce) servings.
posted by LadyBonita at 12:32 AM on March 26, 2005 [2 favorites]