What is Heretical.com?
March 24, 2005 11:02 AM Subscribe
What is Heretical.com?
It seems almost like a Church of the Subgenious for white supremicists!? Is it a joke or real? Besides the hatred of Jews and women, some of the articles listed under "Suppressed Science" are almost interesting.
I've found the site navigation to be practically unusable, so a google text and image search may be helpful.
It seems almost like a Church of the Subgenious for white supremicists!? Is it a joke or real? Besides the hatred of Jews and women, some of the articles listed under "Suppressed Science" are almost interesting.
I've found the site navigation to be practically unusable, so a google text and image search may be helpful.
Response by poster: No, though I did come across it via a MeFite's profile.
posted by $15 worth of sox at 11:17 AM on March 24, 2005
posted by $15 worth of sox at 11:17 AM on March 24, 2005
Response by poster: Yes, but I really am curious/confused about the site, and do not mean to make this a MeTa about him.
posted by $15 worth of sox at 11:54 AM on March 24, 2005
posted by $15 worth of sox at 11:54 AM on March 24, 2005
I guess nazi links are the new "this broom... it vibrates."
posted by Kellydamnit at 12:30 PM on March 24, 2005
posted by Kellydamnit at 12:30 PM on March 24, 2005
just another internet nutter?
posted by andrew cooke at 1:04 PM on March 24, 2005
posted by andrew cooke at 1:04 PM on March 24, 2005
WTF is limepi's tic-tac-toe board supposed to represent?
posted by five fresh fish at 2:48 PM on March 24, 2005
posted by five fresh fish at 2:48 PM on March 24, 2005
i guess i missed the episode where limepi was exposed as a nutjob. google's related results. ick.
posted by moonbird at 4:25 PM on March 24, 2005
posted by moonbird at 4:25 PM on March 24, 2005
OK, now, what exactly is the International Obfuscated C Code Contest doing on Google's related results page for this site?
posted by cerebus19 at 10:00 PM on March 24, 2005
posted by cerebus19 at 10:00 PM on March 24, 2005
Best answer: Heretical Press appears to be the personal brand of one Simon Sheppard of Hull, England, a racist British nationalist who frequently gets in trouble with the local authorities.
Searchlight (anti-racist group) writes up the subculture: British Nazis exploit internet freedom.
The nazis fire-bombed the teacher’s car parked outside his house while he, his partner and their five-year-old daughter slept inside. Details about the teacher, his family and their car were on a nazi website set up at the start of the new millennium under the title Redwatch.
The website is a product of the sick mind of Simon Sheppard, a twice convicted hate criminal who lives outside Hull in Yorkshire. It started out by listing the names of a few anti-fascists in Yorkshire but over the past three years has grown to include hundreds of names, addresses and photographs of people whom hard-core nazis see as their enemies.
cerebus19: most likely they both appear together on one or more "odd links" pages.
posted by dhartung at 12:15 AM on March 25, 2005
Searchlight (anti-racist group) writes up the subculture: British Nazis exploit internet freedom.
The nazis fire-bombed the teacher’s car parked outside his house while he, his partner and their five-year-old daughter slept inside. Details about the teacher, his family and their car were on a nazi website set up at the start of the new millennium under the title Redwatch.
The website is a product of the sick mind of Simon Sheppard, a twice convicted hate criminal who lives outside Hull in Yorkshire. It started out by listing the names of a few anti-fascists in Yorkshire but over the past three years has grown to include hundreds of names, addresses and photographs of people whom hard-core nazis see as their enemies.
cerebus19: most likely they both appear together on one or more "odd links" pages.
posted by dhartung at 12:15 AM on March 25, 2005
Why does google continue to display results for this appalling site? I thought sites inciting hate were anathema to their policy.
Not just another internet nutter........the guy and/or these people are criminals in most western country's legal codes.
I was a tad surprised that kkk can maintain a website (the heretics have a link page) in this day and age. Freedom of speech doesn't = incitement to murder and racial cleansing.
$15 worth of sox, I'm curious how you found the site from limepi's profile/'pic' - I'm ignorant: can you somehow search with a .jpeg and no further details??
posted by peacay at 1:21 AM on March 25, 2005
Not just another internet nutter........the guy and/or these people are criminals in most western country's legal codes.
I was a tad surprised that kkk can maintain a website (the heretics have a link page) in this day and age. Freedom of speech doesn't = incitement to murder and racial cleansing.
$15 worth of sox, I'm curious how you found the site from limepi's profile/'pic' - I'm ignorant: can you somehow search with a .jpeg and no further details??
posted by peacay at 1:21 AM on March 25, 2005
as far as i know, that's not illegal in the uk. in germany it might be, but germany isn't all of europe.
and, again as far as i know, freedom of speech does include incitement to murder and racial cleansing. in fact that's exactly the kind of thing freedom of speech is for. if it was only for saying nice things, it wouldn't need to be a fucking right, would it?
posted by andrew cooke at 5:40 AM on March 25, 2005
and, again as far as i know, freedom of speech does include incitement to murder and racial cleansing. in fact that's exactly the kind of thing freedom of speech is for. if it was only for saying nice things, it wouldn't need to be a fucking right, would it?
posted by andrew cooke at 5:40 AM on March 25, 2005
Response by poster: item, apologies. I guess I still think of NSFW in purely sexual terms.
peacay, I just right-clicked on the image to view it's properties (Firefox, but I think IE has same thing) and checked where the image was being served from.
dhartung, you're da man.
posted by $15 worth of sox at 6:24 AM on March 25, 2005
peacay, I just right-clicked on the image to view it's properties (Firefox, but I think IE has same thing) and checked where the image was being served from.
dhartung, you're da man.
posted by $15 worth of sox at 6:24 AM on March 25, 2005
if it was only for saying nice things, it wouldn't need to be a fucking right, would it? ... andrew cooke
'kill them' and 'i hate that bastard' are not really the same thing - free speech isn't as plainly all encompassing as you think. You are speaking only of America.
Wiki has a pretty good entry on this subject of 'hate speech' and notes that in UK (where the heretic server is located) :
"incitement to racial hatred is an offence under the Public Order Act 1986 with a maximum sentence of up to seven years imprisonment"
In fact America seems to be in a bit of a minority on this issue as most western countries have some legislation outlawing hate crimes in one manner or another.
Anyway, my point was my continuing incredulity as to why the heretic site hasn't been prosecuted. It is exactly the type of propaganda that the hate crimes laws were established to isolate/defeat/curtail.
[Thanx $15 worth of sox - I don't know why I didn't try that - I guess I expected the pic was held on Mefi server]
posted by peacay at 9:02 AM on March 25, 2005
'kill them' and 'i hate that bastard' are not really the same thing - free speech isn't as plainly all encompassing as you think. You are speaking only of America.
Wiki has a pretty good entry on this subject of 'hate speech' and notes that in UK (where the heretic server is located) :
"incitement to racial hatred is an offence under the Public Order Act 1986 with a maximum sentence of up to seven years imprisonment"
In fact America seems to be in a bit of a minority on this issue as most western countries have some legislation outlawing hate crimes in one manner or another.
Anyway, my point was my continuing incredulity as to why the heretic site hasn't been prosecuted. It is exactly the type of propaganda that the hate crimes laws were established to isolate/defeat/curtail.
[Thanx $15 worth of sox - I don't know why I didn't try that - I guess I expected the pic was held on Mefi server]
posted by peacay at 9:02 AM on March 25, 2005
...as far as i know, freedom of speech does include incitement to murder and racial cleansing.
Well, you're wrong. It doesn't.
posted by five fresh fish at 9:10 AM on March 25, 2005
Well, you're wrong. It doesn't.
posted by five fresh fish at 9:10 AM on March 25, 2005
I had a bar mitzvah, although I'm not a practicing Jew. I just found that image from heretical.com amusingly insane--and notice, I like women, Jews, and money. So, I WIN.
Heretical.com has the insane racist rantings of some British dude, along with some very interesting exerpts from an out-of-print book on game theory, by William Poundstone (who is, ironically, openly homosexual), "The Prisoner's Dilemma."
This doesn't refute that I may be a nutjob, but I'm not a racist. Sheez. Chill.
posted by LimePi at 2:12 PM on March 25, 2005
Heretical.com has the insane racist rantings of some British dude, along with some very interesting exerpts from an out-of-print book on game theory, by William Poundstone (who is, ironically, openly homosexual), "The Prisoner's Dilemma."
This doesn't refute that I may be a nutjob, but I'm not a racist. Sheez. Chill.
posted by LimePi at 2:12 PM on March 25, 2005
Also, my e-mail address is in my profile. Yet nobody bothered to write me. Instead, you all let allegations fly about.
omg i should take this to meta~~!~@@!~~~~!~!!!!!!@
posted by LimePi at 2:14 PM on March 25, 2005
omg i should take this to meta~~!~@@!~~~~!~!!!!!!@
posted by LimePi at 2:14 PM on March 25, 2005
limepi I think it was amazing that noone was particularly attacking you - there was more of an incredulity factor at the beginning as to why anyone would have such a 'controversial' pic on their profile page. For the mostpart (and indeed it was the reason for the question in the first place) the thread moved towards uncovering the fwit behind the website in question. So it wasn't about you.
Not that this answers any questions definititively about your pyschiatric status. But you are being watched. ;-)
posted by peacay at 10:46 PM on March 26, 2005
Not that this answers any questions definititively about your pyschiatric status. But you are being watched. ;-)
posted by peacay at 10:46 PM on March 26, 2005
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posted by xmutex at 11:13 AM on March 24, 2005