Comments on: Steampunk Suggestions

Question: Steampunk Suggestions

Dante5Inferno — Fri, 11 Mar 2005 11:53:04 -0800

I'm a newbie to the Steampunk genre looking for suggestions. I've been starting on some of the early speculative SF stuff, like Jules Verne, Wells and Burroughs. Where should I go now?

By: Capn

Capn — Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:10:21 -0800

You may (or may not) enjoy China Mieville's Perdido St. Station.

It's sort of steam punk and sort of fantasy (but in a non-sucky way).

It's roughly Victorian England, but humans are not the only sentient beings. In the mostly-human bustling metropolis of New Crobuzon, science, magic and religion all compete and mingle to produce technologies and problems.

By: selfnoise

selfnoise — Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:21:14 -0800

I would also suggest Mieville.

It's been a while, but "Iron Dragon's Daughter" by Michael Swanwick is, I think, both steampunk-y and good.

Hmm. I can come up with a lot of fiction that has some Steampunk elements, but little actual Steampunk-centered fiction.

By: Wolfdog

Wolfdog — Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:23:29 -0800

Yup, Perdido Street Station was the first thing that came to mind.

Also, James Blaylock's Homunculus .

By: safetyfork

safetyfork — Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:24:30 -0800

I figure you've already read The Difference Engine by William Gibson and Bruce Sterling, but just in case you haven't. Also, see the nice Wikipedia entry on Steampunk for more work that can be categorized by or connected to it.

By: selfnoise

selfnoise — Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:28:52 -0800

Also: check out this long list of steampunkness:

http://www.republika.pl/steampunk/chrono02.html

Looking at the list, I am reminded of Alan Moore's wonderful "League of Extraordinary Gentlemen" comics. Might want to check those out.

By: amberglow

amberglow — Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:36:07 -0800

and this Trilogy was fun

By: -harlequin-

-harlequin- — Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:41:21 -0800

I'm in a similar phase, but more interested in games and movies. So I'll ignore the literature (other than to note that the early stuff like Verne is available free at Project Gutenburg.

Everyone I asked, no matter who they were, all seemed to say "Oh - you should check out 'Last Exile'". So I did. It's an anime series (which I'm not really into) so not quite what I was expecting, and the first few episodes were a bit confusing, but then I was hooked, it's a great series. (You have to watch the episodes in order though - it's one story told in 26 half-hour episodes.) I highly recommend it! The series on DVD costs over a hundred dollars, but if you have any friends who are into downloading anime, I guarantee they'll already have it - this was the high-budget flagship series of 2003.

Almost but not really steampunk, 'Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow' is a recent movie worth checking out, a kind of pseudo film-noir set in what I'll call "airships and aces" setting with 1950's golden-age scifi technology - the future as imagined by people in the early half of the 20th century.

In a similar vein to Sky Captain is 'Crimson Skies' (PC game, about air-pirates, airships-n-aces again), lots of fun, but pretty close to reality. There are lots of games far closer to real steampunk though, but I don't play enough to know many.

"The Secret Adventures of Jules Verne" is a BBC steampunk TV series. The first few episodes weren't great (as seems to be the case for most TV series - takes a while to find their stride), but it got better.

"Wild Wild West" is a crap hollywood steampunk film, but hey, they wear some nice outfits :-)
Recently there was also "Around the world in 80 days" with Jackie Chan, the Governator, etc. It recast Phileus as a visionary steampunk inventor. But it also really sucked.

Plus, of course, there are all the film adaptions of the speculative SF novels you're reading. A couple of years ago there was a high-budget remake of "The Time Machine", (and obviously there are all the classic ones, like Disney's 20,000 leagues, but I'm not so into those either)

By: fvw

fvw — Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:43:42 -0800

This has been on my "Must mine for books to read" list for a while now, it might be helpful to your search too.

By: Dante5Inferno

Dante5Inferno — Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:54:01 -0800

I really haven't read, seen or played anything from the genre (aside from loving League, Wells, Verne and the Burroughs Mars stuff). Is the Steampunk Trilogy the best place to start? Difference Engine? I think I'm more inclined towards the sci-fi rather than the fantasy (ie magic aspect). Thanks.

By: Justinian

Justinian — Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:56:34 -0800

Aw man. I see a request for steampunk recommendations and I'm all huffed to come in and recommend China Mieville... only to find that it was done in the very first comment. Oh well.

I'm currently reading _Iron Council_ and it is packed with more neat ideas in any given page than a lot of authors manage in a whole novel.

By: adrianhon

adrianhon — Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:41:23 -0800

Try out Stephenson's _The Diamond Age_ for a good modern steampunk novel (and close to my favourite novel ever). It's a bit more futuristic than most in the genre but still has that wonderful Victorian feel about it.

By: amberglow

amberglow — Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:28:09 -0800

Difference Engine is a good place to start, or Perdido St. Station. (all of Mieville's stuff is incredibly rich and full--excellent)

By: Civil_Disobedient

Civil_Disobedient — Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:30:04 -0800

If you'd like to start a new fad--let's call it anti-Steampunk, I'd recommend Wells, When the Sleeper Wakes. It's a lesser-known of his sci-fi works, which astounds me. In it, he predicts television, the atomic bomb... all sorts of stuff. It reads like a modern-day Rip Van Winkle.

By: Civil_Disobedient

Civil_Disobedient — Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:30:50 -0800

(Where Modern Day = Victorian England / the FUTURE!)

By: marxchivist

marxchivist — Fri, 11 Mar 2005 16:42:36 -0800

You might try Gulliver of Mars by Edwin Arnold. Also some things by O.A. Kline, Planet of Peril, and I think he did some Burroughs "Mars" ripoffs.

I went on a Burroughs etc. binge back in junior high school days. I still don't have the heart to get rid of them. Never heard of the "steam punk" genre before.

By: O9scar

O9scar — Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:00:44 -0800

Another vote for League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. The comic book, not the travesty of a movie.

By: dorian

dorian — Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:04:00 -0800

martha wells

By: hattifattener

hattifattener — Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:29:46 -0800

I think Martha Wells and China Miéville are kind of going in opposite directions with the whole steampunk thing. Actually, I'd say Wells isn't steampunk because there's no "punk"; it's just pseudo-Victorian-era SF/fantasy. (She writes very enjoyable books, IMHO, but not steampunk.)

If we're allowing comic books, there's always Girl Genius, for the lighter side of steampunk.

I kind of think steampunk never really solidified as a genre. The Difference Engine was written by Official Cyberpunk Authors, so it had to be some kind of *punk; and books that people liked for some of the same reasons they liked tDE were then also called steampunk.

As always I recommend popping over to rec.arts.sf.written if you like to talk about this kind of stuff.

By: muckster

muckster — Fri, 11 Mar 2005 21:50:29 -0800

Steamboy, the new film by Akira director Otomo is very entertaining and beautiful to look at, but didn't add a whole lot of fresh ideas.

By: Neosamurai85

Neosamurai85 — Fri, 11 Mar 2005 23:50:55 -0800

Burroughs wrote steampunk? I'm not familiar with such work(s). Could someone drop a title my way?

By: Neosamurai85

Neosamurai85 — Fri, 11 Mar 2005 23:55:02 -0800

Burroughs wrote steampunk? I'm not familiar with these "Mars" work(s) or any other steampunk by him. Could someone drop a title my way?

By: gentle

gentle — Sat, 12 Mar 2005 00:14:37 -0800

Neosamurai85, that would be Edgar Rice, while you might be thinking of William S.?

By: gentle

gentle — Sat, 12 Mar 2005 00:26:06 -0800

Tim Powers' The Anubis Gates isn't exactly steampunk -- closer to magical realism with a sci-fi twist -- but it is alternate history, so it should fit. It's about a group of people who, to test a theory of time travel, goes back in time to the early 1800s to attend a lecture by Samuel Taylor Coleridge. Gleefully literate (there's the brilliant portrayal of Coleridge and a hilariously logical explanation of the origins of his Ancient Mariner, but there's also Lord Byron hanging around), it's an amazing novel, carefully research and ingeniously plotted -- Powers, when he's at his best, as he is here, is a highly visual, energetic writer, and one of his best tricks is conjuring a sense of time, setting and atmosphere using very few words. It's one of those books you should not read a review or plot summary about before reading -- I've been careful not to reveal anything significant here.

By: PenDevil

PenDevil — Sat, 12 Mar 2005 02:24:27 -0800

I really enjoyed Stephen Baxter's Anti-Ice. Britain discovering a naturally occuring 'anti-matter', giant land yachts, trips to the moon - it has it all!

By: Neosamurai85

Neosamurai85 — Sat, 12 Mar 2005 07:27:17 -0800

Thanks gentle, I was. William S. was what I read a lot of in high school, so my brain fogged out the obvious. Side note: is there a way to delete messages you post accidentally? I must have hit 'Post' instead of 'Preview' last time around. Peace.

By: Dante5Inferno

Dante5Inferno — Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:51:06 -0800

any other alternative history novels that would fit in the steampunk genre?