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Question: Can you deduct losses due to crime?

knave — Fri, 04 Mar 2005 18:09:11 -0800

Followup to an earlier question: Can you deduct financial losses incurred due to a car break-in on your taxes?

I spent $700 repairing the car to (almost) the condition it was in before the incident, plus another $150 to get a new stereo. Someone told me there is a category called "personal loss" or something, but I'm turning up nothing in my searches... Any ideas? (USA-specific)

Of course, even if it does turn out to be real, I have to wait until next year since this happened in January.

By: contessa

contessa — Fri, 04 Mar 2005 18:30:58 -0800

Casualty or theft losses, on Schedule A (itemized deductions). You have to fill out an extra form (4684). The instructions say, "You may be able to deduct part or all of each loss caused by theft, vandalism, fire, storm or similar causes, and car boat and other accidents"

By: contessa

contessa — Fri, 04 Mar 2005 18:31:50 -0800

Oh, of course this is only of any use if your total itemized deductions exceed the standard deduction you would otherwise take.

By: knave

knave — Fri, 04 Mar 2005 18:40:41 -0800

Nice, thanks contessa. I'm a loan-owner so I will be itemizing... that's good news, at least.

By: jdroth

jdroth — Fri, 04 Mar 2005 22:43:53 -0800

Uh, knave, don't expect too much yet.

I just had my car broken into last week, and lost a couple thousand dollars in camera equipment. I spoke with my accountant yesterday, and he basically said to forget about it.

A person pretty much has to suffer a major loss (I don't know the exact figures) in order to be able to claim a deduction. Unless the $850 you spent represents a significant portion of your income, I think you're out of luck.

(I know basically nothing about taxes. Check on this with somebody who knows for sure. I'm just saying not to get your hopes up. I had hoped for some silver lining after losing all my camera stuff...)

By: dhartung

dhartung — Sat, 05 Mar 2005 02:44:19 -0800

The loss must be major, and you have to have -- you knew this was coming -- paperwork.

> A theft is the taking and removing of property or money ... Lost or mislaid property is not considered a theft; you cannot deduct the loss.

If your property is covered by insurance, you should file a timely insurance claim for reimbursement of the loss. Otherwise you cannot deduct this loss as a casualty or theft....

To determine the amount of a casualty or theft loss of personal–use property, ... you must know the fair market value of your property.... The amount of your loss is the lesser of:
# The decrease in fair market value as a result of the casualty; or
# Your adjusted basis in the property before the casualty or theft.
You must reduce your loss by any reimbursement you receive or expect to receive, such as an insurance recovery.

To determine how much of the loss is deductible, if the property was held by you for personal use, or partly for personal use, you further reduce your loss by $100.... The total of all your casualty and theft losses of personal use property for the year must then be reduced by 10% of your adjusted gross income. The balance that remains after making these reductions is the amount of your deductible casualty or theft loss of personal use property.

So, if you make $30,000 (AGI), the uninsured theft loss must be greater than ~$3333.