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Dedicated Hosting Rentals for SugarCRM - Help me out!
I need to rent a dedicated host to house the SugarCRM application (figure 25-50 very active users) for a few months to a year. Who would you recommend, and what minimum specs would you suggest I look for? I've hosted on shared machines before, and I've built my own hardware (although was not happy with the results of either)... Who's good, and what should I look for in the hardware?
I need to rent a dedicated host to house the SugarCRM application (figure 25-50 very active users) for a few months to a year. Who would you recommend, and what minimum specs would you suggest I look for? I've hosted on shared machines before, and I've built my own hardware (although was not happy with the results of either)... Who's good, and what should I look for in the hardware?
Response by poster: Looking for a true dedicated host. My boss easily shrugged off my back of the napkin estimate of $500-$1000 a year, so let's stay within $500 - $1500 annually. I'd rather get a slightly larger machine than we actually need. Our long term plan involves a $5k+ server in 12-24 months... this just has to get us to there.
posted by frwagon at 7:21 PM on December 14, 2009
posted by frwagon at 7:21 PM on December 14, 2009
Response by poster: Oh, and forgot to mention, we're looking for 'nix hosting.
posted by frwagon at 7:22 PM on December 14, 2009
posted by frwagon at 7:22 PM on December 14, 2009
Best answer: $125/month for a 'dedicated host' is pretty bottom of the barrel. You might want to reconsider a highend VPS at a company with quality support. 25-50 users on SugarCRM isn't really something that justifies a dedicated machine anyways.
As a datapoint in 'good service', slicehost is owned by Rackspace -- and their prices are posted here: http://www.slicehost.com/.
Start with a linode VPS and scale up as needed. You'll find a VPS from linode/slicehost will be more than sufficient.
posted by SirStan at 9:15 PM on December 14, 2009
As a datapoint in 'good service', slicehost is owned by Rackspace -- and their prices are posted here: http://www.slicehost.com/.
Start with a linode VPS and scale up as needed. You'll find a VPS from linode/slicehost will be more than sufficient.
posted by SirStan at 9:15 PM on December 14, 2009
Best answer: Looking for a true dedicated host.
Why?
Our long term plan involves a $5k+ server in 12-24 months... this just has to get us to there.
Geez. Go with EC2 for sure. You can start with a small instance with 1 CPU core and 1.7gb of memory and scale all the way up to a "High memory quadruple extra large" instance with 8 cores and 68 gigabytes of ram. That's probably more power then you'll find in any reasonably priced dedicated box (and in fact, you'll probably be the only instance on the machine, but you get all the benefits of virtualization. It's about $2.40 hour, though. vs. 8¢/hour for a small instance.)
EC2 is perfect for this. You can start on a small instance and move up as demand increase. If you're app supports scaling across multiple machines, that's even easier and cheaper.
Running a single small instance 24/7 will cost you just $62/mo, plus some (cheap) storage costs.
posted by delmoi at 12:22 AM on December 15, 2009
Why?
Our long term plan involves a $5k+ server in 12-24 months... this just has to get us to there.
Geez. Go with EC2 for sure. You can start with a small instance with 1 CPU core and 1.7gb of memory and scale all the way up to a "High memory quadruple extra large" instance with 8 cores and 68 gigabytes of ram. That's probably more power then you'll find in any reasonably priced dedicated box (and in fact, you'll probably be the only instance on the machine, but you get all the benefits of virtualization. It's about $2.40 hour, though. vs. 8¢/hour for a small instance.)
EC2 is perfect for this. You can start on a small instance and move up as demand increase. If you're app supports scaling across multiple machines, that's even easier and cheaper.
Running a single small instance 24/7 will cost you just $62/mo, plus some (cheap) storage costs.
posted by delmoi at 12:22 AM on December 15, 2009
(oh, and you can reserve by the year too. A small instance costs just $228/year, or 3¢/hr;)
posted by delmoi at 12:27 AM on December 15, 2009
posted by delmoi at 12:27 AM on December 15, 2009
Best answer: Why do you want a "true dedicated host"?
VPSs have a few advantages. First, you can scale the CPU, Memory and storage up and down in little more than the time it takes to reboot. Second, VPS providers tend to use better quality hardware with more redundancy than you'll get with an inexpensive dedicated host, and if there is a problem with the hardware, what do you think gets more attention, a VPS hosting 10-40 customers, or a low-end dedicated machine? Xen VPSs generally don't oversell RAM, and can guarantee a fair share of CPU, so performance is pretty predictable.
The biggest upside of a dedicated host is that you generally get more and more predicatable disk I/O capacity.
I think amazon has better pricing than Linode once you start looking at 1GB RAM & up, particularly if you prepay for reserved instance pricing, but I only have experience with Linode, and give them pretty high marks.
I think all the suggestions people have made are "unmanaged" servers. You'll have to pay more (and probably look elsewhere) if you want someone else to be responsible for the basic system, and foundational services like the DB server, Apache, etc.
posted by Good Brain at 12:48 AM on December 15, 2009
VPSs have a few advantages. First, you can scale the CPU, Memory and storage up and down in little more than the time it takes to reboot. Second, VPS providers tend to use better quality hardware with more redundancy than you'll get with an inexpensive dedicated host, and if there is a problem with the hardware, what do you think gets more attention, a VPS hosting 10-40 customers, or a low-end dedicated machine? Xen VPSs generally don't oversell RAM, and can guarantee a fair share of CPU, so performance is pretty predictable.
The biggest upside of a dedicated host is that you generally get more and more predicatable disk I/O capacity.
I think amazon has better pricing than Linode once you start looking at 1GB RAM & up, particularly if you prepay for reserved instance pricing, but I only have experience with Linode, and give them pretty high marks.
I think all the suggestions people have made are "unmanaged" servers. You'll have to pay more (and probably look elsewhere) if you want someone else to be responsible for the basic system, and foundational services like the DB server, Apache, etc.
posted by Good Brain at 12:48 AM on December 15, 2009
Just a data point but Linode totally feels like a dedicated server. It has none of the hoops/jumps that some other virtual private servers have. Just my opinion but you really can't tell the difference. I recently migrated my server over to London and it took 1 support ticket (answered in 2 minutes) and then a click of a button, it was all done automatically (it took a couple of hours to transfer the data but other than that it seemless)
One thing to mention about linode is that you do have to do all the set up yourself. They set it up with your choice of distro but after that everything is up to you in terms of installing apache, php, mysql etc and monitoring software.
posted by missmagenta at 3:36 AM on December 15, 2009
One thing to mention about linode is that you do have to do all the set up yourself. They set it up with your choice of distro but after that everything is up to you in terms of installing apache, php, mysql etc and monitoring software.
posted by missmagenta at 3:36 AM on December 15, 2009
Response by poster: I have previously had bad experiences with virtual dedicated, but Linode seems to be getting a volume of recommendations that makes me feel somewhat better about them. I'll look into a Linode... Thank you!
posted by frwagon at 5:47 AM on December 15, 2009
posted by frwagon at 5:47 AM on December 15, 2009
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posted by delmoi at 7:19 PM on December 14, 2009