Which breed?
December 12, 2009 9:07 PM Subscribe
We've decided to get a dog. I'm partial to Australian Shepherds, but would like to hear other suggestions. Help me select a breed.
Growing up, my family had a revolving selection of from-the-pound mutts. Many of them were good dogs, and some of them were terrible. Finally, after years of playing rescue-dog craps, my father convinced my mother to buy a working-line Australian Shepherd (for $50). She's easily the finest dog my family has ever owned.
So now my wife and I have decided that we can commit to a dog. Right now, I'm self-employed and have plenty of time to devote to training a puppy. And in not too long, we'll be buying a house with a fenced yard (our current yard is unfenced).
I'm partial to an Australian Shepherd, but I wonder if part of the reason for my parents' dog's overactive behavior is that she doesn't have any real work to do. Consequently, because I don't have a herd of anything, I wonder if I won't have similar problems with any aussie I acquire. Similarly, I'm a lazy programmer, and so won't be taking the dog on cross-country runs or anything like that to tire it out.
So, I'm now considering other breeds (not that I'm rejecting aussies, just considering). Here's what I demand from this dog:
1) Obedient: a reasonable number of complex commands can be learned, and will be followed immediately and compliantly.
2) Intelligent: problem solving, curious, predictive.
3) Low grooming requirements: I don't mind giving a lot of attention, but I don't want to have to groom the dog daily.
4) Not yappy: this is fucking vital. The quieter the dog, frankly, the better.
5) Not going to kill my cats: again, vital.
6) Medium-sized: Cocker Spaniel to Border Collie, or thereabouts.
The aussies I've met fulfill all of these requirements, but I just wonder if I'm not missing out on the perfect breed with all of these traits plus less "requirement" for fulfilling work.
Please note: I intend to buy a pure-bred, unpapered dog. While I recognize the plight of the zillions of worthy rescue dogs, I'm really tired of the lifelong commitment to damaged goods one frequently gets when one adopts. I've been there, I've done that, and I'm not interested this time.
Growing up, my family had a revolving selection of from-the-pound mutts. Many of them were good dogs, and some of them were terrible. Finally, after years of playing rescue-dog craps, my father convinced my mother to buy a working-line Australian Shepherd (for $50). She's easily the finest dog my family has ever owned.
So now my wife and I have decided that we can commit to a dog. Right now, I'm self-employed and have plenty of time to devote to training a puppy. And in not too long, we'll be buying a house with a fenced yard (our current yard is unfenced).
I'm partial to an Australian Shepherd, but I wonder if part of the reason for my parents' dog's overactive behavior is that she doesn't have any real work to do. Consequently, because I don't have a herd of anything, I wonder if I won't have similar problems with any aussie I acquire. Similarly, I'm a lazy programmer, and so won't be taking the dog on cross-country runs or anything like that to tire it out.
So, I'm now considering other breeds (not that I'm rejecting aussies, just considering). Here's what I demand from this dog:
1) Obedient: a reasonable number of complex commands can be learned, and will be followed immediately and compliantly.
2) Intelligent: problem solving, curious, predictive.
3) Low grooming requirements: I don't mind giving a lot of attention, but I don't want to have to groom the dog daily.
4) Not yappy: this is fucking vital. The quieter the dog, frankly, the better.
5) Not going to kill my cats: again, vital.
6) Medium-sized: Cocker Spaniel to Border Collie, or thereabouts.
The aussies I've met fulfill all of these requirements, but I just wonder if I'm not missing out on the perfect breed with all of these traits plus less "requirement" for fulfilling work.
Please note: I intend to buy a pure-bred, unpapered dog. While I recognize the plight of the zillions of worthy rescue dogs, I'm really tired of the lifelong commitment to damaged goods one frequently gets when one adopts. I've been there, I've done that, and I'm not interested this time.
English Shepherd. They're close cousins to both the Aussies and Border Collies (they're also known as farm collies) and are amazing, amazing animals. Mine is ten months old and while he comes from working stock, he's perfectly content with a decent walk every day and a trip to the dog park once a week or two. He's also the smartest dog that I've ever had (and I have had a LOT of dogs). He does very well with cats and other small animals (I think this comes from being bred on a farm) and doesn't require much in the way of grooming at all. He loves people, other dogs... pretty much everyone. He's super easygoing and sweet and loyal.
If you have other questions, feel free to MeMail me. I can't recommend this breed enough. They're the perfect mix of smart working dog and relaxed pet. They're also not an AKC breed, so it's easier to find one from a breeder who is breeding for personality, not for looks.
posted by youcancallmeal at 9:16 PM on December 12, 2009 [1 favorite]
If you have other questions, feel free to MeMail me. I can't recommend this breed enough. They're the perfect mix of smart working dog and relaxed pet. They're also not an AKC breed, so it's easier to find one from a breeder who is breeding for personality, not for looks.
posted by youcancallmeal at 9:16 PM on December 12, 2009 [1 favorite]
Well, my partner and I have two miniature aussies - same GREAT aussie traits, in a smaller package. They do still have quite a bit of energy; but a daily, hour-long romp seems to be a good amount of exercise. We always have toys that require problem-solving, so this keeps their minds occupied. From conversations I have had with owners of standard aussies, I get the impression that the miniatures are a bit less work. But, it really does depend on the individual dog, as I have one who is a bit hyper and one who is fairly chill. Go figure.
posted by AlliKat75 at 9:24 PM on December 12, 2009
posted by AlliKat75 at 9:24 PM on December 12, 2009
My dog is a mini-goldendoodle. He fits all the criteria you've listed (except being a pure-bred I suppose), weighs about 30 pounds full-grown and is an absolute joy to have around; he does all the wonderful things that make dogs such great companions: he'll fetch, do tricks, chase squirrels, dig holes, roll in the mud, laze at your feet, sleep at the foot of the bed, stick his head out the car window, etc. Oh, and he's non-allergenic and doesn't shed if that's a concern.
posted by Cody's Keeper at 9:30 PM on December 12, 2009
posted by Cody's Keeper at 9:30 PM on December 12, 2009
Response by poster: Now that Cody's Keeper has brought it up, I should clarify: I don't mind a hybrid breed. I simply meant that I'm not acquiring a mutt of unknown pedigree. I'd like to be able to predict, with at least some accuracy, the temperament of the dog.
posted by Netzapper at 9:40 PM on December 12, 2009
posted by Netzapper at 9:40 PM on December 12, 2009
A standard poodle is a little bigger (although they have long legs so they don't weigh nearly as much another dog of similar size). They tend to be pretty mellow indoors, adjust well to your level of activity as long as they get either a walk or time to run around outdoors. They are very smart and very trainable, good with children. They don't shed - they need a hair cut about 8 weeks. If you keep it cut short (NOT a fancy-schmacy show cut) you can get by with almost no grooming between visits. We didn't have any cats but they do not have the super strong prey drive of some other breeds.
posted by metahawk at 9:42 PM on December 12, 2009
posted by metahawk at 9:42 PM on December 12, 2009
Best answer: Keep in mind that any puppy is going to be a handful, regardless of what sort of dog it develops into later. They're all crazy at that age.
I've never had a pure-bred dog in my life, but I did have good luck with a dog that was mostly Corgi. Smart as all get-out, eager to please, short-haired, and not one to yap. Got only occasional walks, and that seemed just fine with her.
posted by Gilbert at 10:08 PM on December 12, 2009 [1 favorite]
I've never had a pure-bred dog in my life, but I did have good luck with a dog that was mostly Corgi. Smart as all get-out, eager to please, short-haired, and not one to yap. Got only occasional walks, and that seemed just fine with her.
posted by Gilbert at 10:08 PM on December 12, 2009 [1 favorite]
Japanese Spitz. This is the dog I want to get, for some of the same reasons as you. The only caveats are they are smaller than you want on average and they're good watchdogs because they can be barky. But the latter of course, can vary and/or be reduced with proper training. All the rest of your wants are there, so I figured I might as well make the suggestion.
posted by cmgonzalez at 10:08 PM on December 12, 2009
posted by cmgonzalez at 10:08 PM on December 12, 2009
Labrador Retriever. Had one as a kid - black, female. Best dog our family ever owned.
posted by torquemaniac at 10:18 PM on December 12, 2009
posted by torquemaniac at 10:18 PM on December 12, 2009
I am a dog lover, and I did a huge amount of research looking for the right dog for our family. I am not an expert by a long shot, but here's my opinion and what I've learned.
A herding dog is going to be good with your cats. Herding dogs have had the 'prey' instinct mostly bred out of them, so that they don't see the sheep as food I guess. This is also why they tend to be good with kids. However, herders need exercise. Not just physical either, they need to be challenged mentally too. This means that you need to give them toys that make them work for a treat, and need to work on obedience tricks. This is also why herding dogs are so good at agility training, it is mental as well as physical. Herding dogs are my family dog, I have a German Shepherd Dog and I had a Border Collie. Herding dogs just seem to fit my family best. My dog does best when she gets a brisk 45 minute walk. I usually take her out on my bike since I can't keep up with her. Now that it is so cold out she gets much less exercise than she really should, and she's putting on a little weight. I still let her outside 3-4 times a day and she spends most of that time chasing the neighborhood cats out of her yard. She also plays with the kids, but usually not for more than a half hour (it's in the teens here and I don't like the kids out in the cold for very long.)
Stay away from the hounds. They are vocal and most need lots of exercise. We had a Beagle and had to find her a new home, she was too much for our family and too rough with my kids. She also had no loyalty, if she found a smell she would take off after it. There was no way that we could ever let her off her leash. FWIW we take our GSD to the lake and let her off leash and she always comes when she's called.
A Standard Poodle may fit what you want. They are larger than you say you want, but they are very smart dogs. They also don't need a ton of exercise. They're in the same line as a retriever. Retrievers are bred to have 'soft mouths' which means that they don't bite hard. This is so that they don't bruise the flesh of the birds they are sent after. This makes them good for kids because they are less likely to be nippy. Retrievers are usually pretty good with cats if you introduce them when they are puppies (like you plan to do.) Miniature and Toy Poodles are not the same. They are bred to be companions and are totally different dogs. Personally I would avoid these.
English Bulldogs are one of my favorite breeds, I'd have one but the upkeep is pretty expensive. They are basically the couch potato of dogs. They are very smart and trainable, and very loyal. They can have breathing problems, and you have to clean out their face wrinkles regularly. Otherwise they are low maintenance as far as grooming goes.
It is worth your time and money to find a reputable breeder. These 'Backyard Breeders' and puppy mills are really bad news. A good breeder will not only sell you a better dog, but they will be a resource for you when you have questions about your dog.
posted by TooFewShoes at 11:07 PM on December 12, 2009 [1 favorite]
A herding dog is going to be good with your cats. Herding dogs have had the 'prey' instinct mostly bred out of them, so that they don't see the sheep as food I guess. This is also why they tend to be good with kids. However, herders need exercise. Not just physical either, they need to be challenged mentally too. This means that you need to give them toys that make them work for a treat, and need to work on obedience tricks. This is also why herding dogs are so good at agility training, it is mental as well as physical. Herding dogs are my family dog, I have a German Shepherd Dog and I had a Border Collie. Herding dogs just seem to fit my family best. My dog does best when she gets a brisk 45 minute walk. I usually take her out on my bike since I can't keep up with her. Now that it is so cold out she gets much less exercise than she really should, and she's putting on a little weight. I still let her outside 3-4 times a day and she spends most of that time chasing the neighborhood cats out of her yard. She also plays with the kids, but usually not for more than a half hour (it's in the teens here and I don't like the kids out in the cold for very long.)
Stay away from the hounds. They are vocal and most need lots of exercise. We had a Beagle and had to find her a new home, she was too much for our family and too rough with my kids. She also had no loyalty, if she found a smell she would take off after it. There was no way that we could ever let her off her leash. FWIW we take our GSD to the lake and let her off leash and she always comes when she's called.
A Standard Poodle may fit what you want. They are larger than you say you want, but they are very smart dogs. They also don't need a ton of exercise. They're in the same line as a retriever. Retrievers are bred to have 'soft mouths' which means that they don't bite hard. This is so that they don't bruise the flesh of the birds they are sent after. This makes them good for kids because they are less likely to be nippy. Retrievers are usually pretty good with cats if you introduce them when they are puppies (like you plan to do.) Miniature and Toy Poodles are not the same. They are bred to be companions and are totally different dogs. Personally I would avoid these.
English Bulldogs are one of my favorite breeds, I'd have one but the upkeep is pretty expensive. They are basically the couch potato of dogs. They are very smart and trainable, and very loyal. They can have breathing problems, and you have to clean out their face wrinkles regularly. Otherwise they are low maintenance as far as grooming goes.
It is worth your time and money to find a reputable breeder. These 'Backyard Breeders' and puppy mills are really bad news. A good breeder will not only sell you a better dog, but they will be a resource for you when you have questions about your dog.
posted by TooFewShoes at 11:07 PM on December 12, 2009 [1 favorite]
If you want a low-maintenance (emotionally, at least) dog, don't get a poodle. Though they are very smart and loving, they're incredibly needy. Low self-esteem style clinginess.
posted by oinopaponton at 11:13 PM on December 12, 2009
posted by oinopaponton at 11:13 PM on December 12, 2009
Recommending an English Bulldog, too, especially if you have the chance to either meet the parents or adopt a non-puppy. I say this only because it allows you to pick from an otherwise mixed bag regarding dog intellect. We've had three English bulldogs - one was the smartest dog we've ever had, and the other two were very sweet, very affectionate... but dumber than a box of hammers. They are easily trained, though, and generally kept pretty happy with a complement of toys. They can be trained not to bother your cats, don't really need special grooming, and are good with adults and children (which you haven't stipulated, but is helpful when taking them for walks and such).
posted by honeybee413 at 11:25 PM on December 12, 2009
posted by honeybee413 at 11:25 PM on December 12, 2009
If you're not going to exercise the dog at least an hours walk per day and several dog park or longer walks per week at different locals for mental stimulation you should probably stay away from all the working breeds. Something bred primarily to be a companion will be a much better fit and you will all be happier. This doesn't mean you have to get a toy breed, the English bulldog is a good example, but you will get a lower energy dog and one with less drive.
I had a bit of a giggle at your desire for a dog that is good at problem solving. We have one of those and boy does she find a lot of problems to solve. Whenever I see her standing around with her brow-furrowed, trying to figure something out I get worried. When I see her looking particularly pleased with herself I get very worried.
posted by fshgrl at 12:25 AM on December 13, 2009 [3 favorites]
I had a bit of a giggle at your desire for a dog that is good at problem solving. We have one of those and boy does she find a lot of problems to solve. Whenever I see her standing around with her brow-furrowed, trying to figure something out I get worried. When I see her looking particularly pleased with herself I get very worried.
posted by fshgrl at 12:25 AM on December 13, 2009 [3 favorites]
I'd like to be able to predict, with at least some accuracy, the temperament of the dog.
The only way to do this with any real certainty is to get an adult dog whose adult temperment is a known quantity.
If you want a puppy, the best you can do is choose a breed on the basis of the drives it was bred for. It's still a crapshoot, but with loaded dice. A "hybrid" or other mixed-breed, while they can be as fine as any other dog, won't fit this bill; a goldendoodle can be behaviorally a golden, behaviorally a poodle, behaviorally anything in between, and you would be very hard-pressed to tell which as a puppy.
I intend to buy a pure-bred, unpapered dog.
I'm not sure what this means. Do you mean you're going to buy a purebred from someone who never bothered to register the litter with AKC/UKC/some other appropriate registry?
This path will lead you towards puppy-milled dogs, the worst sort of "backyard" breeder, or otherwise towards getting a puppy with all the stereotypical problems attributed to purebreds from someone who doesn't give a shit.
You would be better off looking for a solid, ethical breeder of whatever breed you settle on. This will probably mean a puppy that is registered with at least one of the major kennel clubs.
A well-bred Aussie or border collie will probably be a bit "overactive" or otherwise seem sort of psycho without an interesting, demanding, and exhausting job of some sort. Or rather, without such a job, a well-bred Aussie or border collie will probably invent its own job that's interesting, demanding, and exhausting, and you might not like this job.
You should also know that Aussies are one of those breeds where there can be a substantial gap between working and show lines, which could complicate your search for a breeder if you decide on an Aussie.
We have vallhunds, which are sort of like corgis and generally quite agreeable. You don't want one. They shed like motherfuckers and some of them bark like very barky things indeed.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 12:38 AM on December 13, 2009 [6 favorites]
The only way to do this with any real certainty is to get an adult dog whose adult temperment is a known quantity.
If you want a puppy, the best you can do is choose a breed on the basis of the drives it was bred for. It's still a crapshoot, but with loaded dice. A "hybrid" or other mixed-breed, while they can be as fine as any other dog, won't fit this bill; a goldendoodle can be behaviorally a golden, behaviorally a poodle, behaviorally anything in between, and you would be very hard-pressed to tell which as a puppy.
I intend to buy a pure-bred, unpapered dog.
I'm not sure what this means. Do you mean you're going to buy a purebred from someone who never bothered to register the litter with AKC/UKC/some other appropriate registry?
This path will lead you towards puppy-milled dogs, the worst sort of "backyard" breeder, or otherwise towards getting a puppy with all the stereotypical problems attributed to purebreds from someone who doesn't give a shit.
You would be better off looking for a solid, ethical breeder of whatever breed you settle on. This will probably mean a puppy that is registered with at least one of the major kennel clubs.
A well-bred Aussie or border collie will probably be a bit "overactive" or otherwise seem sort of psycho without an interesting, demanding, and exhausting job of some sort. Or rather, without such a job, a well-bred Aussie or border collie will probably invent its own job that's interesting, demanding, and exhausting, and you might not like this job.
You should also know that Aussies are one of those breeds where there can be a substantial gap between working and show lines, which could complicate your search for a breeder if you decide on an Aussie.
We have vallhunds, which are sort of like corgis and generally quite agreeable. You don't want one. They shed like motherfuckers and some of them bark like very barky things indeed.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 12:38 AM on December 13, 2009 [6 favorites]
Best answer: My sister has an awesome Cardigan Welsh Corgi. He's great with kids, cats, other dogs, is content as long as he's got his people around, and is massively cute as well. He doesn't seem to need the massive amount of exercise that Aussies need, though he does love to go to the dog park for a run every now and then. I have loved lots of different breeds in my time, but since I've known this dog, and his brother, I am starting to wonder if I'll ever want to have any other kind of dog.
posted by OolooKitty at 12:47 AM on December 13, 2009 [2 favorites]
posted by OolooKitty at 12:47 AM on December 13, 2009 [2 favorites]
Response by poster: If you're not going to exercise the dog at least an hours walk per day and several dog park or longer walks per week at different locals for mental stimulation you should probably stay away from all the working breeds.
That's a reasonable amount of exercise. It'd probably do me good, too.
A dog that expects to run ten miles a day, on the other hand, isn't such a good fit. So, for example, sled dog breeds are right out.
I intend to buy a pure-bred, unpapered dog.
I'm not sure what this means. Do you mean you're going to buy a purebred from someone who never bothered to register the litter with AKC/UKC/some other appropriate registry?
Well, my folks' aussie is from a pair of working dogs out at a farm in MO. Both of the parents were papered purebreds, and so there was the option of having Widget papered, or leaving her unpapered. It was the difference between $500, and $50. Given that my folks saw both the bitch and the sire out rounding up cattle, I really doubt it was a puppy mill. This would be the ideal situation for me, assuming that I can find a working dog who fits my cattleless lifestyle. I know similar situations exist for hunting breeds, too, although I don't think most of those are a good match.
If I wind up with a Corgi, of course, I won't have this option.
posted by Netzapper at 1:02 AM on December 13, 2009
That's a reasonable amount of exercise. It'd probably do me good, too.
A dog that expects to run ten miles a day, on the other hand, isn't such a good fit. So, for example, sled dog breeds are right out.
I intend to buy a pure-bred, unpapered dog.
I'm not sure what this means. Do you mean you're going to buy a purebred from someone who never bothered to register the litter with AKC/UKC/some other appropriate registry?
Well, my folks' aussie is from a pair of working dogs out at a farm in MO. Both of the parents were papered purebreds, and so there was the option of having Widget papered, or leaving her unpapered. It was the difference between $500, and $50. Given that my folks saw both the bitch and the sire out rounding up cattle, I really doubt it was a puppy mill. This would be the ideal situation for me, assuming that I can find a working dog who fits my cattleless lifestyle. I know similar situations exist for hunting breeds, too, although I don't think most of those are a good match.
If I wind up with a Corgi, of course, I won't have this option.
posted by Netzapper at 1:02 AM on December 13, 2009
I'm an Aussie owner -- his picture is the one I use in my profile. He's a purebred rescue. These dogs meet all your criteria but you need to be ready to engage because they are so, so smart. They also tend to invent jobs for themselves if you don't dream up other things like games and tricks for them. To review your list:
1) Obedient: a reasonable number of complex commands can be learned, and will be followed immediately and compliantly. -- No problem. Border collies are the absolute best at this, but Australian Shepherds are close behind. Be aware that hand commands are much easier for them to retain than verbal ones, but they will track both.
2) Intelligent: problem solving, curious, predictive. Oh yes, to the max. My Aussie continues to surprise me. He thinks all the time.
3) Low grooming requirements: I don't mind giving a lot of attention, but I don't want to have to groom the dog daily. Once a week will do fine.
4) Not yappy: this is fucking vital. The quieter the dog, frankly, the better. Yes, provided you train the behavior . . . and my tip is to teach "speak" at the same time that you teach your command for silence. And as Aussies are naturally protective of you, the house, and any other pets you own, it is helpful if you find other jobs for your dog to do.
5) Not going to kill my cats: again, vital. This should be no problem. Do a gradual introduction of your dog, of course. I.e. dog should be in separate room of the house for a few days before anyone eyeballs anyone, and then meetings should be controlled and brief until the animals are comfortable with each other. My Aussie now hangs with one of our four cats . . . the two of them play every night.
6) Medium-sized: Cocker Spaniel to Border Collie, or thereabouts. My Aussie is 35-40 lb, pretty typical. He is easy to pick up if necessary, but he's no miniature.
posted by bearwife at 1:50 AM on December 13, 2009
1) Obedient: a reasonable number of complex commands can be learned, and will be followed immediately and compliantly. -- No problem. Border collies are the absolute best at this, but Australian Shepherds are close behind. Be aware that hand commands are much easier for them to retain than verbal ones, but they will track both.
2) Intelligent: problem solving, curious, predictive. Oh yes, to the max. My Aussie continues to surprise me. He thinks all the time.
3) Low grooming requirements: I don't mind giving a lot of attention, but I don't want to have to groom the dog daily. Once a week will do fine.
4) Not yappy: this is fucking vital. The quieter the dog, frankly, the better. Yes, provided you train the behavior . . . and my tip is to teach "speak" at the same time that you teach your command for silence. And as Aussies are naturally protective of you, the house, and any other pets you own, it is helpful if you find other jobs for your dog to do.
5) Not going to kill my cats: again, vital. This should be no problem. Do a gradual introduction of your dog, of course. I.e. dog should be in separate room of the house for a few days before anyone eyeballs anyone, and then meetings should be controlled and brief until the animals are comfortable with each other. My Aussie now hangs with one of our four cats . . . the two of them play every night.
6) Medium-sized: Cocker Spaniel to Border Collie, or thereabouts. My Aussie is 35-40 lb, pretty typical. He is easy to pick up if necessary, but he's no miniature.
posted by bearwife at 1:50 AM on December 13, 2009
Everything you mention can be filled by a Labradoodle, ours is a large mini coming in at 28 pounds.
There are many avenues to getting one, but as with any dog you want to look for a good breeder.
The breed is fantastic; and per grooming, she does not shed - not a single hair. If you google the breed, you'll see most are kept with longer hair. Bel gets a cut about every 6-8 weeks, so in the picture above you'll see her hair pretty short.
If you want our breeder, just send an email to me.
posted by fluffycreature at 4:52 AM on December 13, 2009
There are many avenues to getting one, but as with any dog you want to look for a good breeder.
The breed is fantastic; and per grooming, she does not shed - not a single hair. If you google the breed, you'll see most are kept with longer hair. Bel gets a cut about every 6-8 weeks, so in the picture above you'll see her hair pretty short.
If you want our breeder, just send an email to me.
posted by fluffycreature at 4:52 AM on December 13, 2009
Best answer: Being the current and first dog of mine, I am quite partial to Weimaraners. They're loyal, obedient, energetic and smart, but not quite as physically/mentally needy as shepherds. They have a short coat, so grooming consists of hitting them with the hose if they get muddy. While they are hunting dogs, I think they'll do alright with a cat -- my dog has met and 'hung out' with my parents cats for a few hours with no ill effects.
Plus they look like little potatoes as puppies.
posted by wrok at 5:45 AM on December 13, 2009
Plus they look like little potatoes as puppies.
posted by wrok at 5:45 AM on December 13, 2009
I was going to suggest a basenji, until I got to the part about not eating your cats.
posted by GodricVT at 6:00 AM on December 13, 2009
posted by GodricVT at 6:00 AM on December 13, 2009
We have an Australian Shepard that we got as a rescued dog.. She is amazing.. Easily one of the best dogs we have ever had.. But, she requires a LOT of attention and needs to run, a lot.. Fortunately we have a large piece of land and she has horses to herd and play with so that takes care of a lot of things..
But there are nights where she just needs us to play with her more than you would think is good for her.. If she is kept cooped up for too long for any reason she gets a bit hyper until we work it out of her..
posted by SteveG at 8:42 AM on December 13, 2009
But there are nights where she just needs us to play with her more than you would think is good for her.. If she is kept cooped up for too long for any reason she gets a bit hyper until we work it out of her..
posted by SteveG at 8:42 AM on December 13, 2009
Please don't buy a dog from a breeder. Get one from a humane society or rescue operation. There are plenty of purebred rescue operations, so once you've decided on a breed, use your Google-fu to locate a rescue op in your general area.
posted by halfguard at 8:55 AM on December 13, 2009 [4 favorites]
posted by halfguard at 8:55 AM on December 13, 2009 [4 favorites]
dogbreedinfo.com has really good information about each breed. If you're not that active, I don't recommend a herding dog because they need a lot of exercise.
Granted, you could always walk your dog with your car. My mother lived in a really quiet neighborhood so she'd drive slowly while the dog walked beside her on a leash. The dog loved it.
posted by Neekee at 9:05 AM on December 13, 2009
Granted, you could always walk your dog with your car. My mother lived in a really quiet neighborhood so she'd drive slowly while the dog walked beside her on a leash. The dog loved it.
posted by Neekee at 9:05 AM on December 13, 2009
I don't feel especially strongly about purebred vs. shelter animals, so I'm not trying to argue with your plan there, but I wanted to mention my parents' experience with their purebred Australian Shepherd. My parents bought one about ten years ago through a trusted breeder recommended by friends who had already bought one of her dogs. My parents dog can be very sweet, and I love him, but he has some very serious aggression issues toward both people (especially men) and animals (especially dogs). He has an insane amount of energy and it seems hard to ever tire him out properly. And he barks. A lot. My parents have tried to train him, have tried socialize him appropriately, and give him lots of exercise, but they've made very little progress over the past decade of living with him.
My point isn't that if you get an Aussie it will necessarily be like my family's dog--it's just that you can't know a dog's temperament simply by knowing that it's a purebred, and Australian Shepherds aren't a breed I'd blindly trust to have good temperaments for suburban living (even with a big, fenced yard). If you want a purebred and aren't naturally inclined to exercise a lot, I'd look for a less energetic breed, like English Bulldogs or (I think I'm remembering right) Great Danes--it'll still get you out of the house to walk the dog every day, but the dog won't suffer when you only go for a walk rather than a daily, several mile run.
Oh, also--be prepared for a lot of shedding. Invest in a serious supply of Swiffer products if you decide to get an Aussie.
posted by Meg_Murry at 9:18 AM on December 13, 2009
My point isn't that if you get an Aussie it will necessarily be like my family's dog--it's just that you can't know a dog's temperament simply by knowing that it's a purebred, and Australian Shepherds aren't a breed I'd blindly trust to have good temperaments for suburban living (even with a big, fenced yard). If you want a purebred and aren't naturally inclined to exercise a lot, I'd look for a less energetic breed, like English Bulldogs or (I think I'm remembering right) Great Danes--it'll still get you out of the house to walk the dog every day, but the dog won't suffer when you only go for a walk rather than a daily, several mile run.
Oh, also--be prepared for a lot of shedding. Invest in a serious supply of Swiffer products if you decide to get an Aussie.
posted by Meg_Murry at 9:18 AM on December 13, 2009
Best answer: I think you're right to be concerned about the exercise needs of an Aussie. The ones I've known have needed more than just a lengthy daily walk: they need to runrunrun, for about an hour each day, and if you don't have a large yard or ready access to a nearby park where you can safely play fetch or frisbee off-leash for a considerable while, the dog is likely to vent its pent-up energy in undesirable ways.
I think the general category where you're likely to find your best choices is in the "sporting" group (spaniels, pointers, retrievers etc.). These tend to be intelligent and highly trainable dogs that are also rather high-energy, but I think overall easier to meet their exercise needs than Aussies. English Springer Spaniel might be one to look at.
posted by drlith at 11:34 AM on December 13, 2009
I think the general category where you're likely to find your best choices is in the "sporting" group (spaniels, pointers, retrievers etc.). These tend to be intelligent and highly trainable dogs that are also rather high-energy, but I think overall easier to meet their exercise needs than Aussies. English Springer Spaniel might be one to look at.
posted by drlith at 11:34 AM on December 13, 2009
One of the best dogs my family ever owned was an Aussie. He was, like most Aussies, incredibly intelligent, friendly, joyful, and exuberant. He was a working dog on our cattle farm in Missouri and was a good herder.
The only bad thing about him was that he never met a stranger. Like the time a couple of really scary dirty men showed up on the back porch of our farmhouse at 2 a.m. in the morning. He licked and greeted them as if they were Santa Claus instead of biting them in the bum like I wish he would have. If the UPS man came, he would jump up and down and bark, happy to welcome a new visitor to the farm. He did save my mom's life, though, when she was out alone on the farm and a cow charged and knocked her into a spring during January when the weather was below freezing. My mom could barely keep her head out of the water as the cow stood over her daring her to move. Our good old Aussie came to the rescue and drove the cow away, giving my mom time to crawl back to the truck, keeping her from freezing to death or getting pummeled again.
Aussies, like Meg_Murry said, shed like mad and have a ton of energy. Even though he was an outside dog, his hair would manage to find its way into the house, the garage, the vehicles, etc.
posted by Coyote at the Dog Show at 11:49 AM on December 13, 2009
The only bad thing about him was that he never met a stranger. Like the time a couple of really scary dirty men showed up on the back porch of our farmhouse at 2 a.m. in the morning. He licked and greeted them as if they were Santa Claus instead of biting them in the bum like I wish he would have. If the UPS man came, he would jump up and down and bark, happy to welcome a new visitor to the farm. He did save my mom's life, though, when she was out alone on the farm and a cow charged and knocked her into a spring during January when the weather was below freezing. My mom could barely keep her head out of the water as the cow stood over her daring her to move. Our good old Aussie came to the rescue and drove the cow away, giving my mom time to crawl back to the truck, keeping her from freezing to death or getting pummeled again.
Aussies, like Meg_Murry said, shed like mad and have a ton of energy. Even though he was an outside dog, his hair would manage to find its way into the house, the garage, the vehicles, etc.
posted by Coyote at the Dog Show at 11:49 AM on December 13, 2009
Seconding halfguard. Even if you are determined to get a particular breed, please at least consider adopting or rescuing. There are thousands of dogs that die because they don't have a home, even ones with good temperaments :)
posted by CharlesV42 at 1:19 PM on December 13, 2009 [1 favorite]
posted by CharlesV42 at 1:19 PM on December 13, 2009 [1 favorite]
I'm not sure how much you are willing to pay, but I think it's a fluke that you got an Aussie for $50. My parents' was $500 but he was papered. He's now 8 and the sweetest dog ever, but has soo much energy. When I was in high school I would take him on bike rides with me so that he could run for an hour or so. He really needs to be around people and needs to be played with every day. He's also quite the barker. A few other aussies I know have similar characteristics; in other words, besides the barking/exercise criteria, he meets all of your requirements.
posted by pintapicasso at 1:50 PM on December 13, 2009
posted by pintapicasso at 1:50 PM on December 13, 2009
If you want a puppy, my girlfriend's advice (she has shown dogs and knows a lot about them) is to get a purebred dog from a local breeder. The reason for this is that temperament is heritable and you can learn a lot about what your dog will be like when it's grown by meeting its parents -- this is definitely something you should do, in her opinion. (Puppies are all puppy-like so it's hard to judge what a dog will be like when it's grown if you only meet the puppy itself.) A reputable breeder will have information about a dog's temperament going back several generations.
You should also plan on spending plenty of time socializing your puppy not just with people but with other animals (both dogs, and if possible, cats). This will have a big impact on its personality later in life.
The suggestions you're being given for breeds are a good starting point, and I'm about to give you one more, but you should check out the AKC Breed List, reading about each suggested breed, and using this information to narrow down to a few breeds you are interested in, then contact local breeders.
That said, we have a Glen of Imaal terrier named Stanley who we adore. However, Stanley's temperament is not entirely typical of the breed; he's really laid back for a terrier. This is why, she says, you shouldn't choose solely based on breed; if my girlfriend had done that, she probably would not have selected this dog. Individual dogs do vary.
Rescues are also a great idea, as is adopting an adult (but young) dog. You will be able to tell a lot more about a dog's personality if it is out of its puppy stage.
posted by kindall at 2:50 PM on December 13, 2009
You should also plan on spending plenty of time socializing your puppy not just with people but with other animals (both dogs, and if possible, cats). This will have a big impact on its personality later in life.
The suggestions you're being given for breeds are a good starting point, and I'm about to give you one more, but you should check out the AKC Breed List, reading about each suggested breed, and using this information to narrow down to a few breeds you are interested in, then contact local breeders.
That said, we have a Glen of Imaal terrier named Stanley who we adore. However, Stanley's temperament is not entirely typical of the breed; he's really laid back for a terrier. This is why, she says, you shouldn't choose solely based on breed; if my girlfriend had done that, she probably would not have selected this dog. Individual dogs do vary.
Rescues are also a great idea, as is adopting an adult (but young) dog. You will be able to tell a lot more about a dog's personality if it is out of its puppy stage.
posted by kindall at 2:50 PM on December 13, 2009
One more point: if you have a very energetic dog and your strategy for exercising it is to let it sit all day, then drive to the dog park and then let it run like mad for 45 minutes then drive home you will end up with a broken dog sooner than later. A super high energy dog that only gets one opportunity to do something a day and is allowed to runrunrun is going to hurt itself. As a long time dog park-goer, I've seen them get heat stroke, have seizures, tear cruciates, throw their backs out, pull muscles etc etc. This goes double for a young dog or for a dog that has spent a lot of time cooped up (like at the pound).
posted by fshgrl at 8:12 PM on December 13, 2009
posted by fshgrl at 8:12 PM on December 13, 2009
Response by poster: What do folks think of a springer spaniel?
if you have a very energetic dog and your strategy for exercising it is to let it sit all day, then drive to the dog park and then let it run like mad for 45 minutes then drive home you will end up with a broken dog sooner than later.
During the next six months or so (until I get a straight job), my strategy for exercising my dog, regardless of breed, is to walk it twice a day for probably around an hour. Hell, given that I live out in the woods, I might actually wind up just spending hours exploring the area with him.
After that, when I have one of those lame real jobs, I'm also hoping to have acreage. I reckon that between nightly walks, and having the run of acres of land, that should work out okay. (Although tell me if I'm wrong, please.)
posted by Netzapper at 8:24 PM on December 13, 2009
if you have a very energetic dog and your strategy for exercising it is to let it sit all day, then drive to the dog park and then let it run like mad for 45 minutes then drive home you will end up with a broken dog sooner than later.
During the next six months or so (until I get a straight job), my strategy for exercising my dog, regardless of breed, is to walk it twice a day for probably around an hour. Hell, given that I live out in the woods, I might actually wind up just spending hours exploring the area with him.
After that, when I have one of those lame real jobs, I'm also hoping to have acreage. I reckon that between nightly walks, and having the run of acres of land, that should work out okay. (Although tell me if I'm wrong, please.)
posted by Netzapper at 8:24 PM on December 13, 2009
If that's your dog exercise plan, an Aussie should be fine for you. Just think through how smart a dog you want . . . really intelligent dogs are more work but very rewarding too. I'd go Aussie if a very bright dog is what you want, another breed like spaniel otherwise.
You are going to have a very happy dog, regardless of breed, if you can swing that kind of walk time. Have fun!
posted by bearwife at 3:56 PM on December 15, 2009
You are going to have a very happy dog, regardless of breed, if you can swing that kind of walk time. Have fun!
posted by bearwife at 3:56 PM on December 15, 2009
Response by poster: Thank you all so much for your input. You were all very helpful in helping us make our decision.
We just put our money down for a male springer spaniel pup. He's absolutely gorgeous.
We'll be picking him up in early January.
We're so excited.
posted by Netzapper at 11:28 PM on December 15, 2009
We just put our money down for a male springer spaniel pup. He's absolutely gorgeous.
We'll be picking him up in early January.
We're so excited.
posted by Netzapper at 11:28 PM on December 15, 2009
That sounds like an awesome life for any dog. I really miss having acreage for the dogs. Congrats!
posted by fshgrl at 12:45 AM on December 16, 2009
posted by fshgrl at 12:45 AM on December 16, 2009
Springer's are great! I've met a few and they were all obsessed with fetch. Might I recommend this, it'll save your shoulder.
posted by TooFewShoes at 10:48 AM on December 21, 2009
posted by TooFewShoes at 10:48 AM on December 21, 2009
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