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	<title>Comments on: Book concerning the origins of the Israeli state and it's conflict with Palestine</title>
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		<title>Question: Book concerning the origins of the Israeli state and it&apos;s conflict with Palestine</title>
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		<description>What book should I read to get an understanding of the the current Israeli/Palestinian conflict and the history of the Israeli state? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; My ignorance is unparalleled.&lt;br&gt;
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Where did Zionism come from (I understand it&apos;s a heading some pretty diverse ideologies fall under)? Why was Israel set up the way it was? Who thought it needed to be a separate nation to begin with? To what extent did religious belief inform the various actor&apos;s decisions in the early post-war days (including the nominally secular leaders of allied powers after the war)? To what extent is the current conflict about religious belief?&lt;br&gt;
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If at all possible, I&apos;d like something unbiased and reasonably academic (though readability takes presence over the latter). The ideal text would take me from the earliest proponents of Zionism, through the founding of the state, through it&apos;s first several decades of existence.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 02:11:25 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: felix betachat</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/126058/Book-concerning-the-origins-of-the-Israeli-state-and-its-conflict-with-Palestine#1800612</link>	
		<description>Everyone&apos;s list is going to be subjective to some degree.  Here&apos;s mine:&lt;br&gt;
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You should start with some primary documents.  Theodor Herzl&apos;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/25282&quot;&gt;Der Judenstaat&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altneuland&quot;&gt;Altneuland&lt;/a&gt; are crucial.  Also &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/019507453X/metafilter-20/ref=nosim/&quot;&gt;The Jew in the Modern World&lt;/a&gt; has an abundance of primary source documents with good commentary.&lt;br&gt;
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For analysis, I&apos;d recommend looking through &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0814774490/metafilter-20/ref=nosim/&quot;&gt;Essential Papers on Zionism&lt;/a&gt; to get a good overview of how historians treat the topic.  Tom Segev&apos;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0805066608/metafilter-20/ref=nosim/&quot;&gt;The Seventh Million&lt;/a&gt; is a more readable but still quite comprehensive historical account.&lt;br&gt;
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Finally, Benny Morris&apos;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0521338891/metafilter-20/ref=nosim/&quot;&gt;The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem&lt;/a&gt; and his subsequent &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0679744754/metafilter-20/ref=nosim/&quot;&gt;Righteous Victims: A History of the Zionist-Arab Conflict, 1881-2001&lt;/a&gt; will give a good sense for the political and social impact that the successive waves of &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliyah&quot;&gt;aliyot&lt;/a&gt; had on the indigenous population.  David Shulman&apos;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0226755746/metafilter-20/ref=nosim/&quot;&gt;Dark Hope: Working for Peace in Israel and Palestine&lt;/a&gt; gives an accurate and sober, if really depressing account of the present state of the Israeli peace movement.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 02:40:32 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: felix betachat</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/126058/Book-concerning-the-origins-of-the-Israeli-state-and-its-conflict-with-Palestine#1800614</link>	
		<description>Almost forgot.  One of the more important historians currently working on the topic is Idith Zertal.  Her book &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0521850967/metafilter-20/ref=nosim/&quot;&gt;Israel&apos;s Holocaust and the Politics of Nationhood&lt;/a&gt; is probably right up your ally.  I&apos;ve had her new book &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1568583702/metafilter-20/ref=nosim/&quot;&gt;Lords of the Land: The War for Israel&apos;s Settlements in the Occupied Territories, 1967-2007&lt;/a&gt; sitting on my bedside table for a while now.  Haven&apos;t gotten to it, though, so I can&apos;t recommend it.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 02:45:59 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: RavinDave</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/126058/Book-concerning-the-origins-of-the-Israeli-state-and-its-conflict-with-Palestine#1800618</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0671662414/metafilter-20/ref=nosim/&quot;&gt;&quot;O Jerusalem!&quot;&lt;/a&gt; by &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O_Jerusalem!&quot;&gt;Dominique Lapierre and Larry Collins&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 02:58:38 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: sciencegeek</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/126058/Book-concerning-the-origins-of-the-Israeli-state-and-its-conflict-with-Palestine#1800635</link>	
		<description>On the more readable, less academic side, I found &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0393329844/metafilter-20/ref=nosim/&quot;&gt;City of Oranges&lt;/a&gt; informative and it gave me a better picture of the conflict through individual&apos;s eyes.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 03:58:16 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Flood</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/126058/Book-concerning-the-origins-of-the-Israeli-state-and-its-conflict-with-Palestine#1800660</link>	
		<description>A quick read that is very informative is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0863161618/metafilter-20/ref=nosim/&quot;&gt;Arabs and Israel For Beginners.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
You can read it in a few hours, and get a solid over-view of everything.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 05:10:35 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: lungtaworld</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/126058/Book-concerning-the-origins-of-the-Israeli-state-and-its-conflict-with-Palestine#1800667</link>	
		<description>While you are considering which books to buy, have a look at:&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 05:17:22 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jammy</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/126058/Book-concerning-the-origins-of-the-Israeli-state-and-its-conflict-with-Palestine#1800691</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.interlinkbooks.com/product_info.php?products_id=1613&quot;&gt;Understanding the Palestinian-Israeli Conflict: A Primer&lt;/a&gt; by Phyllis Bennis is an excellent and concise, yet quite detailed, introduction. It&apos;s not a historical narrative. Rather, it addresses the various aspects of the conflict through a question and answer format which makes the material both easy to understand and remember.&lt;br&gt;
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Aspects addressed: The Crisis; The Other Players: The Role of the US, the UN, the Arab States, and Europe; Recent History: Rising Violence; Looking Backward (1900-1991); The Future.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 05:57:10 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mearls</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/126058/Book-concerning-the-origins-of-the-Israeli-state-and-its-conflict-with-Palestine#1800697</link>	
		<description>Tom Friedman&apos;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0385413726/metafilter-20/ref=nosim/&quot;&gt;From Beirut to Jerusalem&lt;/a&gt; might be a good start.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 06:09:58 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mediareport</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/126058/Book-concerning-the-origins-of-the-Israeli-state-and-its-conflict-with-Palestine#1800712</link>	
		<description>Previously:&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://ask.metafilter.com/53968/What-is-a-good-history-of-the-IsraelPalestine-conflict&quot;&gt;What is a good history of the Israel/Palestine conflict?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://ask.metafilter.com/17607/Looking-for-literature-on-the-IsraeliPalestinian-conflict&quot;&gt;Looking for literature on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
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I&apos;d go with Mark Tessler&apos;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0253208734/metafilter-20/ref=nosim/&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;A History of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, which got &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/50282/william-b-quandt/a-history-of-the-israeli-palestinian-conflict&quot;&gt;excellent&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://sitemaker.umich.edu/tessler/files/reviews_of_a_history_of_the_israeli-palestinian_conflict.htm&quot;&gt;reviews&lt;/a&gt; and is compelling, detailed, &quot;resolutely fair-minded&quot; and empathetic to both sides.&lt;br&gt;
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Benny Morris has a lot of &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benny_Morris#Political_views&quot;&gt;political baggage&lt;/a&gt;, having taken a pretty sharp right turn after the 2nd intifada, including justifications for kicking out Israeli Arabs and preemptively bombing Iran&apos;s nuclear facilities.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 06:35:49 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: oinopaponton</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/126058/Book-concerning-the-origins-of-the-Israeli-state-and-its-conflict-with-Palestine#1800721</link>	
		<description>Karen Armstrong&apos;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0345391683/metafilter-20/ref=nosim/&quot;&gt;Jerusalem&lt;/a&gt; is a nice historical overview of the history of its namesake. Jerusalem&apos;s history =/= Israel&apos;s history, but it&apos;s helpful for understanding the reasoning behind the many different claims to the land.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 06:43:34 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mediareport</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/126058/Book-concerning-the-origins-of-the-Israeli-state-and-its-conflict-with-Palestine#1800724</link>	
		<description>Just to be clear, Morris&apos; &lt;em&gt;Righteous Victims&lt;/em&gt; is also a good choice; there&apos;s more detail in the previous threads.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 06:45:53 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: odinsdream</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/126058/Book-concerning-the-origins-of-the-Israeli-state-and-its-conflict-with-Palestine#1800731</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;Tom Friedman&apos;s...&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br&gt;
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Having read (suffered would be a better word) a number of his books, I have come to the conclusion that he has no idea how to convey even simple concepts. I can&apos;t imagine how he would come close to reasonable on this topic. Unless this book is an exception to the Friedman rule, I have to disagree with this recommendation.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 06:50:03 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Killick</title>
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		<description>odinsdream, in my opinion that book actually is an exception to the Friedman rule.  He&apos;s since turned into a tool, but he did have one good book in him a long time ago.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 06:55:01 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: radioamy</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/126058/Book-concerning-the-origins-of-the-Israeli-state-and-its-conflict-with-Palestine#1800856</link>	
		<description>Although not a complete history by any means, you would probably enjoy the book &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0312938543/metafilter-20/ref=nosim/&quot;&gt;Exile &lt;/a&gt;by Richard North Patterson.  &lt;br&gt;
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It&apos;s the story of an American Jew who has an affair with a Palestinian woman in law school - years later the Prime Minister of Israel is killed by a suicide bomber while in the US, and the woman is accused of planning the attack.  It&apos;s a great story, and explains a lot of the back story as to why there is so much turmoil in Israel/Palestine/West Bank.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 08:28:12 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: JoeXIII007</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/126058/Book-concerning-the-origins-of-the-Israeli-state-and-its-conflict-with-Palestine#1801760</link>	
		<description>Though this might not be a true answer to your question, you may just want to look through the discussions that the Blue has had:&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/79241/Hampshire-Divests-from-Israel&quot;&gt;Hampshire Divests from Israel&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/78416/Attack-on-Gaza-creates-rift-with-overseas-Jews&quot;&gt;Attack on Gaza creates rift with overseas Jews&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/77899/Israel-humanitarian-relief-reporters-politicians-Made-for-Television&quot;&gt;Israel + humanitarian relief + reporters + politicians = Made for Television!&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/77785/Israel-vs-Hamas-vs-the-Internet&quot;&gt;Israel vs. Hamas vs. the Internet&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;These will give you likely the most up to date feelings floating around regarding the conflict. Now more directly related to your question -&amp;gt; books:&lt;br&gt;
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In order of reading difficulty starting with the easiest...&lt;ol&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1567512267/metafilter-20/ref=nosim/&quot;&gt;Stephen Zunes&apos;s &quot;Tinderbox&quot;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0813340489/metafilter-20/ref=nosim/&quot;&gt;William L. Cleveland&apos;s &quot;A History of the Modern Middle East 3rd Edition (would not know about the 4th Edition)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/058282320X/metafilter-20/ref=nosim/&quot;&gt;Ritchie Ovendale&apos;s &quot;The Origins of the Arab-Israeli Wars&quot; (this one really lays out the Zionist movement pretty well, at least from what I know...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;These were the books I used in my class on the subject of the modern middle-east this past winter.&lt;br&gt;
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Bias: expect it and digest it. I would try and get an idea of the hard line from both sides of the issue (my opinion after digesting the class, recent current events, and meeting people with varying views). &lt;br&gt;
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Lastly, good luck. I was pretty ignorant before I started studying this and am probably still reasonably ignorant about the subject, with maybe a bit (just that much) more information than I knew before.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:22:27 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Rykey</title>
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		<description>Seconding Jammy&apos;s recommendation of the Bennis book.&lt;br&gt;
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&lt;em&gt;My ignorance is unparalleled.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br&gt;
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I doubt it.  After you read some of the widely divergent opinions on this topic, you will too :)</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 10:28:27 -0800</pubDate>
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