Comments on: Help! I've gotten a ticket and I don't know what to do!

Question: Help! I've gotten a ticket and I don't know what to do!

Groovytimes — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 08:55:46 -0800

Could I argue this handicap parking violation?

I recently got a ticket for parking in a handicap parking slot. It occurred around 8:30 pm and I truthfully did not notice it was a handicap spot when I parked in it (I know this is not a valid reason for contesting it). The only reason that I am considering contesting it is the fact that it was not properly painted. There is a sign, but the curb is extremely faded and there is no painted symbol on the ground. Just down the street in the same square there are multiple cases of properly painted and signed spaces.

My questions are:

Is it the law to have these spaces properly painted or is it just enough to have the sign? What are the regulations for a handicap space? Do State regulations or Federal govern city regulations? If I go to court, could I plead "no contest" or just "not guilty" and how would I argue this? (If in fact it is arguable).

Here here here and here are pictures of the spot I parked in

Here and here are pictures of a spot on the other side of the square.

I live in the Bay area in California. The ticket is $308.00. The ticket tells me to write a letter first if I wish to contest it, then I'll receive a letter back if I can, isn't that weird?

By: torquemaniac

torquemaniac — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 08:58:58 -0800

There is clearly a handicapped parking sign posted. Pay the fine and learn the lesson.

By: unixrat

unixrat — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 09:02:01 -0800

You'll never win that challenge.

By: sarcasticah

sarcasticah — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 09:17:19 -0800

The sign is clearly visible. Pay the fine, and look more carefully before you park in the future.

By: Civil_Disobedient

Civil_Disobedient — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 09:19:50 -0800

The sign is right in front of the spot. Plenty of handicapped parking spaces don't have the symbol painted on the ground. You have no chance.

By: jamaro

jamaro — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 09:31:18 -0800

There's a blue disabled parking sign posted right in front of the spot and a blue painted curb, that's plenty per California Vehicle Code Section 22511.7:

(b) (1) Whenever a local authority so designates a parking space,
it shall be indicated by blue paint on the curb or edge of the paved
portion of the street adjacent to the space. In addition, the local
authority shall post immediately adjacent to and visible from the
space a sign consisting of a profile view of a wheelchair with
occupant in white on a blue background.

By: Houstonian

Houstonian — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 09:32:56 -0800

Many people get very upset when non-handicapped people park in handicap spots. I'm one of those people, but more importantly your judge will probably be one of those people too. Pay the ticket and learn from your mistake.

By: Precision

Precision — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 09:38:11 -0800

If it was painted but not signed, you would have a case.

With a sign... pay the fine.

By: Groovytimes

Groovytimes — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 09:44:53 -0800

Hey that rhymes, favorite answer!

By: bensherman

bensherman — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 09:49:18 -0800

That sign isn't anywhere in line with the rest of the signs - it's WAY too high. I would fight this, saying it's not a normal sign and the spot isn't painted.

By: bensherman

bensherman — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 09:52:21 -0800

I take that back, looking at the picture again, I see the sign isn't set as far back (I thought it was attached to the sign post.

I would still fight it and ask that the money you pay be used to repaint the spot. It is good for this to be visible not only so you don't park in the spot, but also so that people who need the spot can see it is for them

By: Groovytimes

Groovytimes — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 10:08:05 -0800

"Shall be indicated in blue paint on the curb...in addition, posting of a sign"

See that gets my mind considering that I could argue it because of the paint issue.

By: firstdrop

firstdrop — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 10:33:50 -0800

I can see why you think you might be able to contest it and it might be worth your while to write the (very polite) letter outlining why you made what you consider to be a completely uncharacteristic mistake. I normally police handicapped spaces with much more vehemence than my wheelchair-using partner but in this case I won't. That space is poorly designated and if your letter does nothing else it might result in a better marked space which will benefit everyone. I'd be prepared to pay the fine though because ultimately the parking violations department will argue that they complied with the law and you didn't.

By: electroboy

electroboy — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 10:39:40 -0800

If the ticket is big enough you might as well give it a shot. Explain it was an honest mistake, it was dark, it's your first ticket evar (if that is indeed true) etc etc and you might luck out. Or you might not. I wouldn't go for the overly legalistic argument, since you don't really know the law.

By: @troy

@troy — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 10:41:16 -0800

It's my understanding that the SIGN is the important decider of whether a space is handicapped or not, not the paint.

So you have no complaint.

By: Pantengliopoli

Pantengliopoli — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 10:45:58 -0800

Electroboy's route seems reasonable, but I would expect, at best, to have the fine reduced (and it may be worth the trouble just for that - $308 isn't chump change).

Good luck, look up next time you park.

By: aguy

aguy — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 10:50:19 -0800

I don't understand the mindset that someone who makes a one-time mistake like this must simply meekly accept their punishment. If you look around, due to the nature of the enforcement, there are a lot of people who do this routinely and seldom get caught. It sucks to make a mistake and be unlucky enough to get immediately caught. I would contest this ticket, fully understanding the effort might be futile, but hoping you'll get a break with a sympathetic judge/administrator.

I would fully admit wrongness, but emphasize the space was harder to see at night and there were several nearby which were prominently and fully marked. I'd say after driving past those fully marked spaces looking for a spot, you missed the sign and didn't recognize the spot you chose as handicapped. Use your pictures.

This would likely work much better before a judge. If the letter you send goes to a city traffic clerk, they are less likely to accept it because they are partly in the revenue-raising business.

By: so_gracefully

so_gracefully — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 12:07:09 -0800

The curb is, in fact, blue in your photos. You are an adult who can take responsibility for not looking at a clearly posted sign and blue curb that are both within legal requirements.

By: coolguymichael

coolguymichael — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 12:19:02 -0800

My gf gets her speeding/light-running tickets fixed by one of those traffic lawyers that advertise on billboards. It's possible that they can fix parking tickets as well.

The amount you pay the lawyer is generally well under the amount of the ticket, at least in Las Vegas.

By: HabeasCorpus

HabeasCorpus — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 12:47:30 -0800

You should contest it. But don't "Argue it."

The number one policy when dealing with these situations: Be polite, be reasonable and be honest. You made a mistake, and it was in part (though not in whole) due to the poorly painted sign.

Judges are human beings. If you go in front of the court, explain your mistake, your reasons behind it, and apologize for it, the judge may very well cut you a break.

Judges can throw out a ticket, and can also reduce it. The judge may simply say "alright, I'll cut this ticket down to $100."

By: HabeasCorpus

HabeasCorpus — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 12:55:49 -0800

I also think you are ethically entitled to contest the ticket. I respectfully disagree with the "pay the fine and learn the lesson" mentality.

You made an honest mistake, and so I do not believe you deserve the full force of the law hammered down upon you (in the form of a $300 ticket.)

By: Oriole Adams

Oriole Adams — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 12:56:55 -0800

It can't hurt to fight it; all you've got to lose is your time and a postage stamp. My boss got a ticket for parking in a clearly marked handicapped spot once. He sent a letter contesting it, stating that the office building where he'd parked was basically closed as it was after working hours, there were hardly any cars left in the parking lot, and there were four additional handicapped spots next to the one he'd parked in and none were being used at the time, so he wasn't taking the slot away from anyone. He added that "I thought the purpose of handicapped parking places was as a convenience to the disabled, not to raise revenue for the city of Birmingham." They reduced his $200 ticket to $75.

By: gjc

gjc — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 18:27:36 -0800

Nobody is "ethically entitled" to anything. You are legally entitled to contest it.

There is a difference between "I totally got nailed speeding, how do I get out of it" and "weird circumstances, what are the chances?"

Regardless of the reason, your vehicle was in the parking space illegally. It doesn't make a difference who in the past has gotten caught or not gotten caught. And so you have the option of mounting a defense (technically an affirmative defense, I believe) that says "yes, I was there, but here's why I don't think I'm guilty of the law."

By: Groovytimes

Groovytimes — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 02:05:04 -0800

Update:

I sent in a letter with the pictures, I just got a denial back and I am sending in my written hearing request. I had the choice between in person and written.

Here's another question: If they still deny my claim then can I get another hearing in person on the basis of "facing my accuser" or is this it?

Thanks!