Comments on: Mac Mini: Yes or No?

Question: Mac Mini: Yes or No?

Subspace — Wed, 01 Apr 2009 19:24:25 -0800

My husband and I are Apple noobs and can't get a straight answer from any sales people: is the Mini adequate for our needs?

My husband and I work as advertising copywriters, an industry that exclusively uses Apple computers. Over the years our employers have always loaned us Apple laptops, thus negating our need to actually purchase one. Without getting into a Mac vs. PC debate, our home computers have always been PCs, and we're comfortable with that.

However! Since we're going freelance soon, we finally admitted we need to just buy the damn Apple already, and quickly discovered that everyone in the Apple store is convinced we'll be miserable with anything less than a $3,000 machine (which isn't an option: we're as financially fragile as everyone else these days). It just seems so absurd and wasteful to buy so much computer when we already have expensive, beloved monitors, keyboards and meeces. When we read about the Mac Mini we thought, well, that seems perfectly fine, until, of course, we consulted people.

Everyone seems shocked and weirded out that we want to attach a Mac of some kind to a preexisting monitor and keyboard, as though it limits the operating system in some way. And in fact, that is the implication: that by not using everything Apple we are limiting our purchase not just in aesthetics, but in function. To make things worse, when we tell them we are going to use the Mini primarily for Photoshop and InDesign, their heads explode.

So I guess my question is: are we being silly by thinking we can just get a Mini and nothing else and happily generate massive image files?

By: anildash

anildash — Wed, 01 Apr 2009 19:27:41 -0800

Make sure you have enough RAM, and you'll be fine.

By: HuronBob

HuronBob — Wed, 01 Apr 2009 19:28:47 -0800

This is really going to depend on the software you need to run. If you could elaborate, folks will have an easier time answering this question.

By: computech_apolloniajames

computech_apolloniajames — Wed, 01 Apr 2009 19:29:44 -0800

Don't listen to the Apple snobs who insist on you sharing the full experience, i.e., shelling out the big bucks.

I bought a Mac Mini, and plugged in my existing monitor and keyboard and mouse (with two buttons, so you can right-click). It is awesome. I could not be happier. I customized it with an extra-large hard drive, for my music and photos.

By: You Should See the Other Guy

You Should See the Other Guy — Wed, 01 Apr 2009 19:32:48 -0800

You don't need a $3000 machine. You'd be fine with the low-end iMac, which is $1200 or something.

As for the mini, it will depend how much ram can go in it. The drive is only 120gb so you'll have to buy another driver anyway, so you're already expanding a computer you just bought. Seems silly... a Mini may be fine but why have you completely ignored the middle-ground.

You can also go to Adobe's web site and find out what the recommended system requirements are for the software you want. If the mini meets them, it'll work.

By: Tixylix

Tixylix — Wed, 01 Apr 2009 19:32:53 -0800

If you are going freelance can't you just use the computers you already have? Who will you be exchanging files with and what types of files will you need to be able to read/send?

By: whiskeyspider

whiskeyspider — Wed, 01 Apr 2009 19:32:58 -0800

As anildash says, be sure to max out the RAM.

By: eatcake

eatcake — Wed, 01 Apr 2009 19:33:15 -0800

With massive image files you're going to hit a performance wall with the mini pretty quickly. I guess it depends on your idea of massive also. Are we talking 50 megs or 2 Gig files? You may want to look into getting a refurbished machine from either Apple directly or somewhere else. I've gotten a machine from dvwarehouse.com in the past (although they sell used not refurb).

By: Steve3

Steve3 — Wed, 01 Apr 2009 19:33:47 -0800

Everything's relative. The mini is low-end when compared to the other offerings in Apple's lineup. But, compare it to a G4 Powerbook, and it's a great step up.

Back when the Powerbook was new, the creatives I support happily used Adobe Creative Suite to produce great content on them. You're looking at a machine that's a whole generation newer than that.

As anlidash says- just feed it all the RAM you can. I now consider 4 gigs to be a good start.

By: holgate

holgate — Wed, 01 Apr 2009 19:34:07 -0800

You should do fine. You'll want to max out the RAM, though, and you may need some cable adapting for the monitors, keyboards and rodents.

By: mr_roboto

mr_roboto — Wed, 01 Apr 2009 19:34:46 -0800

Everyone seems shocked and weirded out that we want to attach a Mac of some kind to a preexisting monitor and keyboard, as though it limits the operating system in some way.

Wasn't this the entire point of the mini? It will run fine with whichever generic usb keyboard and mouse you have sitting around.

This is really going to depend on the software you need to run.

Photoshop and InDesign, according to the question. This shouldn't be a problem. Max out the RAM if you can afford to.

By: Fiasco da Gama

Fiasco da Gama — Wed, 01 Apr 2009 19:34:56 -0800

I have a PPC PowerMac from 2005 which serves perfectly well with a preexisting monitor and keyboard. For Photoshop and InDesign, spend your money on RAM where it's going to count, and buy as much of it as you can afford.

By: bradbane

bradbane — Wed, 01 Apr 2009 19:35:36 -0800

I think it depends on what kind of Photoshop work you are doing (ie. how big are the files?). Because I do a lot of PS work and I have a Mac Pro, I know people who use Macbook Pros and iMacs, but I don't know anyone who does any kind of serious design work on a Mac Mini. I know they just updated them so maybe it's changed recently.

By: theKik

theKik — Wed, 01 Apr 2009 19:38:41 -0800

You will be completely fine with using non-apple monitors, keyboards, mice.
As long as those monitors support the resolution that the mini provides, you're fine.

Part of this Apple "cult/culture" has transformed into: you gotta have this 20 inch
apple display, otherwise you will be miserable....pure crap.

Dont want to start a debate here, I actually own a MacBook, (and a PC as well).
Point is: if you like your non-apple devices, and they work well, use them, by all means.

By: mjcon

mjcon — Wed, 01 Apr 2009 19:39:18 -0800

You will be fine. I worked for a newspaper a few years ago that used minis for half of their creative computers. This was a time-sensitive environment with huge file sizes, and everything went pretty much fine. Like everyone else has said, max out the ram. The mini is a great option.

By: artdrectr

artdrectr — Wed, 01 Apr 2009 19:46:40 -0800

Configured with 3 to 4 GB of memory, you'll be fine.
Not pretty...but fine.

By: devbrain

devbrain — Wed, 01 Apr 2009 19:54:16 -0800

Ditto most of the above. If you need to buy a monitor, it makes a ton of sense to hit the iMac line instead. If as you say you don't, the mini has a lot going for it.

Secondly -- your usage has presumably been fine on a laptop until now if that's what you were loaned. I'm sure it'll be fine on a mini -- it's just a laptop in a different shaped box.

By: qxntpqbbbqxl

qxntpqbbbqxl — Wed, 01 Apr 2009 20:06:19 -0800

Or you could *cough* install Mac OS X on cheaper, more powerful PC hardware. I know that's anathema to the Mac believers, but it should at least be an option. Google "Hackintosh" for more info

By: odinsdream

odinsdream — Wed, 01 Apr 2009 20:09:53 -0800

The very strange notion that Macs need "special" monitors and other peripherals just simply will not die. This is completely false. Apple's monitors use the same internal components that Dell's do. The connectors are all standard. If there ever was something to this notion, there certainly isn't anything to it now.

However, you should be aware that things might not be quite as snappy on a Mini - but that's just a function of the processor and the 5400 RPM hard drive (unless this isn't the case anymore), not the monitor, or the keyboard, etc. Even so, it's perfectly adequate provided you get sufficient RAM for your usage, as already mentioned.

By: Subspace

Subspace — Wed, 01 Apr 2009 20:12:28 -0800

Goodness, thanks everyone!

Everyone has addressed the primary issues we had, which is lovely.

To answer the curious:

We can use our existing computers, but they are getting older and less able to handle our crushenating, in addition to the still-rare but nevertheless irritating problems with Apple-to-PC conversions/problems. It makes less and less sense to fight the Apple + advertising combo.

To reiterate: our biggest memory/space hogs are going to be Photoshop and InDesign. I wouldn't call this "serious design work"; we are copywriters, but we still need to open and use big files on occasion.

Really, it's just been weird in that multiple sales people and trusted Apple-loving friends have hesitated when we expressed our preference for the Mini. I think this is borne from simple inexperience, which is why I turned to the Mefites.

Again, thank you all.

By: wongcorgi

wongcorgi — Wed, 01 Apr 2009 20:14:04 -0800

The whole marketing of the Mini was that you bring your own monitor/keyboard/mouse....

Either way, you should be fine. Just note that the mini uses laptop components, so your performance will be comparable to the cheapest Macbook. Also, buy the barebones model, ram is easily upgradable.

By: Halloween Jack

Halloween Jack — Wed, 01 Apr 2009 20:30:07 -0800

I have a Mac mini that shares a monitor, mouse and keyboard with a PC via a KVS switch. It works fine. The new minis have nVidia graphics and should work fine, although you do want to remember that upgrading it in the future will be difficult, if it's even possible.

By: tomierna

tomierna — Wed, 01 Apr 2009 20:56:02 -0800

For Photoshop, get a 7200 or 10,000k SATA drive with a 32MB cache and put it in a Firewire 800 case. Make this your Photoshop scratch disk volume.

The Mini is great for all of your listed tasks, but I find that on my Mini (and for that matter, my Macbook Pro) Mac OSX's VM and Photoshop's scratch disk fight for contention of the drive, and give plenty of pinwheels of doom. Once I use my Firewire 800 for the scratch disk, I can multitask between any number of apps without fear of the page-in monster lagging me.

By: Blazecock Pileon

Blazecock Pileon — Wed, 01 Apr 2009 22:01:43 -0800

The Mac mini is fine. Max out the RAM and add an external FireWire 800 hard drive. If you can afford buying that Adobe application suite, the Mac mini with extras won't be that much more, and you can re-use any existing keyboard, mouse and display. And you won't have to buy an expensive license of Windows in order to worry about the latest worm or virus!

By: hummercash

hummercash — Wed, 01 Apr 2009 22:17:55 -0800

also remember that if you currently own the adobe suite for windows you can transfer that license to the mac for free... at which point you may want to upgrade to CS4 if you're not already there. just call Adobe Customer Service (800-833-6687) for assistance.

By: dws

dws — Wed, 01 Apr 2009 22:27:28 -0800

A Mac Mini will drive a 3rd party 24" monitor (e.g., a Dell) just fine.

By: Good Brain

Good Brain — Wed, 01 Apr 2009 23:15:39 -0800

The Mini will be fine. Stuff it full of RAM. I doubt you'll even feel the need for a fast external hard drive if you aren't doing serious graphic design work in Adobe apps.

By: Tacodog

Tacodog — Wed, 01 Apr 2009 23:57:56 -0800

Just make sure you buy the RAM from fry's or newegg or crucial or anywhere other than from apple, dell, or whoever makes your computer. Their markup on installed RAM is bananas.

By: w0mbat

w0mbat — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 00:09:04 -0800

The current Mini is fine for your needs if you bump up the RAM and the hard disk. The previous generation Mini and MacBook had crappy Intel graphics hardware, but all current generation Macs have at least a semi-decent NVidia chip.
Any DVI monitor will work fine, as will any USB wheel mouse.
If I were you I'd use an actual Apple keyboard - the clearly labeled special keys for Command, Eject, etc make life easier.

By: Brandon Blatcher

Brandon Blatcher — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 03:30:39 -0800

Also, Apple has a refurbished store, where you can get the latest or slightly older models for lower price.

By: KirkJobSluder

KirkJobSluder — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 07:26:18 -0800

Or you could *cough* install Mac OS X on cheaper, more powerful PC hardware. I know that's anathema to the Mac believers, but it should at least be an option. Google "Hackintosh" for more info

Except that it's not. Independent hardware sites have generally found that if you compare component by component, Mac base configuration hardware is well within the variance of what you pay for the same hardware with MSWin or Linux preinstalled. Now of course, buying upgrades from the Apple factory is a rip-off, but that's another story.

Just as a note, putting memory in a Mini is a fairly ugly and twiddly DIY process, made a bit more complicated by the plastic airflow ductwork and cable routing. I'd argue that the Mini is the singular exception to the rule of never buying RAM from Apple.

I think some hesitation regarding the Mini is well justified. It's fairly minimal in specification putting it a step closer to obsolescence than it's iMac cousins, it has a history of undepowered graphics, and it's a massive pain in the rear to upgrade. But I use Macintosh computers with Microsoft and Kinsington peripherals at work, and Kenisis and Logitech peripherals at home.

By: TedW

TedW — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 07:31:42 -0800

If you get an external drive as mentioned above, you might want to eschew firewire in favor of USB 2, as Apple's support for firewire seems to be slipping.

By: pharm

pharm — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 12:42:28 -0800

Tacodog: the Mini is something of a pain to upgrade the RAM IIRC. Opening it up involves attacking the case with putty knives and much bending of plastic. Besides, with RAM being so cheap these days (at least the vanilla sort in a Mini) the extra cost of buying it from Apple isn't as painful as it used to be.

By: Tacodog

Tacodog — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 14:50:51 -0800

Shoot, I didn't know that pharm. Thanks.

By: holgate

holgate — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 15:51:34 -0800

pharm's right: while the margin on extra RAM for the Mini is much higher now than on easier-to-upgrade laptops (it's basically $50 per GB when you custom-order) the process is sufficiently fiddly that it's probably worth sucking it up and letting Apple do it.

By: justcorbly

justcorbly — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 16:13:57 -0800

The Mini's CPU isn't that much slower than the iMac that I'm using now. In any case, max out (4 gigs) the memory in the Mini and you should be OK. Big files need memeory to load. The CPU speed won't help there.

But, check the price of a Mini with 4 gigs of Apple RAM installed. The price of the faster Mini fitted out with 4 gigs of RAM and the 3200-Gig drive is $1074. The slower Mini with 4 gigs and the 120-Gig drive is $749. The cheapest iMac is $1149. It has a 2.66 GHzchip versus 2.0 GHz in the Mini and comes stock with 2 gigs of RAM and a 320-gig drive.

Head on over to apple.com and play with configurations and price.

By: TedW

TedW — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 19:11:33 -0800

Head on over to apple.com and play with configurations and price.

And if you have any sort of affiliation with a school, check to see if you qualify for the educational discount. I have bought every Mac I've owned, since 1984, via the education store.

By: Subspace

Subspace — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 20:30:47 -0800

Again, thanks to everyone for the sage advice, it's really helped us toward making an informed decision.

We were in fact looking into getting smaller drive already (we don't do video, so anything over 120 gigs is just showing off), so it's good to know that the overall consensus is to just invest in RAM. I've built several of my last PCs, so this process of deciding what Apple needs to put in it is still alien to me. But! We're less worried and confused now.