Comments on: Clamping without long clamps

Question: Clamping without long clamps

condour75 — Sun, 15 Mar 2009 07:30:30 -0800

How do I clamp a 3' long bookcase for gluing, without expensive long clamps?

So I'm about to start my first carpentry project. I'm going to build a 3' wide x 4' tall bookcase with 12" x 1" pine, using dowel joinery. So I have my circular saw, my lumber, my drill and dowel jig, copious instructions from the internet and books. The one thing I don't really have, because I balked at the price, is the long cabinetry clamps that would be required for the glue-up, to clamp across the width of the whole case. They're 40 bucks each.

So... what's a poor man's gigantic clamp? Are there other ways to do this? I have weights and a couple cinder blocks, I could try rope, but I'm curious what the ask mefi woodworking team will say. Feel free to yell at me, too, if any of my plan sounds misguided.

(I realize this is a pretty big project to tackle as my first, but it's actually the test project for building much bigger bookshelves, and I've done some set-building in high school so I know basically how to use the tools)

By: cjorgensen

cjorgensen — Sun, 15 Mar 2009 07:35:42 -0800

Well, those pipe clamps aren't usually $40. You can get them have some standard pipe cut into different lengths and have a slew of clamps for a reasonable price.

Or for about half what you are talking you can get strap clamps. I don;t think I would got the rope and brick route, as you not going to get stuff squared.

By: watercarrier

watercarrier — Sun, 15 Mar 2009 07:45:09 -0800

Hi - you can clamp with rope among others. Works well, you just need to know how to use the right tension. Check out the instructions on this site for rope clamping (scroll down) and other methods as well.

By: Brockles

Brockles — Sun, 15 Mar 2009 07:45:56 -0800

A cheap ratchet (with cloth/wood between any of the metal parts and the wood of the piece) would do it. A more rustic alternative would be two wood strats (a hole in either end) and pass a piece of rope around the piece through the holes. You can use a further piece of wood as a means of applying tension - after going through the holes and tying off the loop, leave enough slack in the loop to shove a stick in there and wind it to give a more controllable tension than just heaving on the rope as you tie it.

By: Krrrlson

Krrrlson — Sun, 15 Mar 2009 07:46:38 -0800

I, er... I buy the clamps, use them carefully, and then return them. The ripoff prices help reduce the guilt.

By: Brockles

Brockles — Sun, 15 Mar 2009 07:46:43 -0800

Pleas insert 'ratchet strap' into (And before) the link that I royally screwed up. Thanks.

(dammit)

By: watercarrier

watercarrier — Sun, 15 Mar 2009 07:48:45 -0800

This is a really good blog for you to look at because he utilizes some nifty homemade ideas into his work including a cool twisted rope clamp.

By: Max Power

Max Power — Sun, 15 Mar 2009 07:49:30 -0800

I like the rope ideas, but you can also just use weights. Providing you have a weight set.

By: jon1270

jon1270 — Sun, 15 Mar 2009 07:49:55 -0800

You can improvise some clamps by gluing and screwing blocks of scrap to a 2x4, a little further apart than the dimension you want to clamp. put the clamp over the work and then drive a wedge between the work and one of the blocks.

That said, dowels may not the best sort of joinery here. It will be tricky to get them all to line up well, and it sounds like you'll be buying 1 x 12 pre-planed lumber which won't be very flat. If you're not worried about having this look like fine furniture, you might consider using pocket screws. A one-hole Kreg jig is affordable, and screws can pull slightly deformed lumber together in ways that are difficult to do with clamps.

By: Krrrlson

Krrrlson — Sun, 15 Mar 2009 07:56:01 -0800

Also, threaded rod, nuts, and blocks of wood are cheap -- you could build a bigger version of this.

By: gjc

gjc — Sun, 15 Mar 2009 07:59:25 -0800

Two thoughts-

- for stuff like clamps, go to Menards or Harbor Freight and buy the cheapest junk they have. If you were running a cabinetry shop, the expensive ones would be a value. But for the weekend warrior, the cheap stuff should work just fine. And/or, maybe just get one clamp- it will slow the process down, but just doing one side at a time will save you money.

- failing that, I would make the design of my project fit with the tools I have at hand. Do your shelves have backer panels? They should- these add unbelievable stability. Without something to support the joints, a loaded bookshelf will fail quite quickly as soon as there are any forces tending toward making it unsquare. Even the wood-colored cardboard junk that the $40 shelves at K-Mart use add tremendous strength. If that's not what you want, at the very least, use some of those brass L brackets on the back for some corner stability. And/or build a face-frame that crosses the joints.

So, do this: build the shelf as designed. Flip it on its face, square it up, and fasten the backer panel. This will hold the unit square. Then use whatever you have to cinch the glued joints down while they dry. Rope ought to work in a pinch, provided you use a knot that lets you get good clamping force.

Or, this: Build the shelf as designed, and use a couple of screws to cinch the joints down. Counter sink them, and fill the holes with putty or buttons of dowel stock. Sand them flush when its dry. Or use decorative ones.

(other tips- make sure your glued surfaces are as true as possible. After you cut them with the saw, get out your plane and make them nice and square. The glue will hold better, and the joints will look better.

I don't have experience with it, but that Gorilla Glue is purported to be stronger.)

By: condour75

condour75 — Sun, 15 Mar 2009 08:31:56 -0800

These are all great tips (as always) -- gjc, by "backer panel" do you mean a single large panel of plywood covering the back of the case? Yes, my "design" will use that -- the whole thing will have a beadboarded plywood backing. This should keep the entire cabinet square, but i was going to do the glue-up prior to this.

jon1270, I did buy a doweling jig to this, but the wood is indeed less-than-perfect pre-planed lumber. I may try that Kreg tool -- I'm a lot more comfortable with screws than I am with dowels, and matching all the dowel holes did seem a bit daunting. Would using pocket screws completely obviate the clamps in your opinion? IE, do you think I would need to clamp at all at that point?

By: birdwatcher

birdwatcher — Sun, 15 Mar 2009 08:32:13 -0800

Why clamp them at all? Why not just screw or nail them together? Fasteners like screws and nails act as clamps. Norm Abrams does this all the time and is a huge advocate of nails as clamps. If you're worried about the look of the nail/screw holes, countersink everything and fill the holes with woodfiller or with wood plugs that are available at any Home Depot or Lowes. If you want to get fancy on a budget, buy a plug cutter bit and cut your own wooden plugs. I got some scrap mahogany boards from my neighbor's deck project and made my plugs for a pine bookcase. Some people like the contrast but I could have easily used the same pine and hidden the holes.

By: notyou

notyou — Sun, 15 Mar 2009 08:37:56 -0800

If you're planning on doing more projects, buy the clamps (whether Harbor Freight disposables or Bessey Budget Busters). Buy a couple now. Buy a couple more on your next project. You can never have too many clamps.

Pipe Clamps are affordable and since you provide the pipe, you can make them as long or as short as you need them to be.

By: jamjam

jamjam — Sun, 15 Mar 2009 08:41:35 -0800

I've used bungee cords to good effect, but be careful; bungee cords are actually quite dangerous, especially to your eyes.

By: Krrrlson

Krrrlson — Sun, 15 Mar 2009 09:23:33 -0800

Would using pocket screws completely obviate the clamps in your opinion? IE, do you think I would need to clamp at all at that point?

I successfully built a 6' x 6' bookcase using countersunk screws and no clamps for all major structural joints.

By: jamjam

jamjam — Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:35:06 -0800

An off the wa...er, shelf suggestion: buy a big roll of plastic wrap and wrap the whole thing tight after you've glued it up.

By: Civil_Disobedient

Civil_Disobedient — Sun, 15 Mar 2009 11:43:22 -0800

Just use screws, then fill the holes when you're done.

By: bonobothegreat

bonobothegreat — Sun, 15 Mar 2009 12:04:40 -0800

If you haven't used the dowel jig yet, I'd return it because it's very easy to make your own custom jig for each project. Just drill the holes in a scrap of hardwood and screw another piece to act as a "stop" against the back of the bookshelves and sides.

I wouldn't mess around with ropes or weights because it could lead to a lot of panic/exasperation when the glue is being applied. You can make clamps for this job cheaper if you buy some threaded rod from the hardware store (I'd get the thinnest available because you only need enough pressure to hold all the boards flat against each other while the glue dries). You'll need to cut them with a hacksaw, two sections for each shelf and the top. Cut two scraps of 2x4 to a few inches wider than the depth of the project (two for each shelf and the top) and drill holes so that you can pass the rods in front and behind the project for each shelf. Then put washers and nuts onto the ends of the threaded rods. When it's glued and assembled, slide the clamps into place and tighten (an extra pair of hands will probably be helpful.

Still, keep your eyes peeled for used clamps.

By: LarryC

LarryC — Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:01:49 -0800

Lots of good ideas here. You could also use screws and scrap wood as temporary clamps. Put a chunk of scrap over the joint, drive the screws through the scrap to pull the glued case together, and remove it all after the glue dries. The advantages are that the scrap would distribute the pressure and the hole to fill would be much smaller.

By: condour75

condour75 — Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:31:40 -0800

Thanks everyone for your help! The wood is pretty out of square, but I returned the doweling jig and asked for the Kreg set Jon1270 recommended. It worked quickly and perfectly and I think it saved the project -- dowels would've required too much perfection in the wood (and my sawing skills). The screws pulled everything together. I went with gorilla glue to set everything, although I may have been able to get away with just the screws.

As an aside, the old Lowes' guy's eyes lit up when I mentioned the product.

Here's what it looks like tonight:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/condour/3358433606/in/set-72157615333469156/

By: condour75

condour75 — Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:32:17 -0800

(and also linked to such as.)

By: bonobothegreat

bonobothegreat — Mon, 16 Mar 2009 07:15:48 -0800

Cool!

By: jon1270

jon1270 — Mon, 16 Mar 2009 07:20:47 -0800

Nicely done.