Comments on: Which one is the hip pocket?

Question: Which one is the hip pocket?

exceptinsects — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 16:20:34 -0800

Is the "hip pocket" the front pocket or the back pocket?

My whole life, I thought the hip pocket was in back. But I just read something that seemed to imply that the hip pocket is in front.

My visual dictionary is no help in this case--it just calls them "front top pocket" and "back pocket".

Is it a regional thing, or is it like how I used to think "mausoleum" rhymed with "linoleum" because I never heard anyone say it?

By: papayaninja

papayaninja — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 16:26:13 -0800

The front pocket. I think it's more like the mausoleum thing, though less embarrassing. I would have asked Anonymously if I were going to reveal that tidbit...

By: patnok

patnok — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 16:26:18 -0800

is the hip pocket the little one i call a watch pocket?

By: JayRwv

JayRwv — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 16:26:46 -0800

Noun 1. hip pocket - a pocket in rear of trousers
pocket - a small pouch inside a garment for carrying small articles
trouser, pant - (usually in the plural) a garment extending from the waist to the knee or ankle, covering each leg separately; "he had a sharp crease in his trousers"

By: phunniemee

phunniemee — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 16:28:07 -0800

Front pocket : Hip pocket :: Back pocket : Butt pocket

By: zengargoyle

zengargoyle — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 16:35:59 -0800

I'm thinking back to when I was a child - Way back to when I was a tot.
When I was an embryo - A tiny speck. Just a dot.
When I was a Hershey bar - In my father's back pocket.
Hey look! Over there! It's Frank Sinatra Sitting in a chair.
And he's blowing Perfect smoke rings Up into the air.

-- Laurie Anderson

So hip pocket == front pocket. I get the feeling it's a regional thing.

By: sonic meat machine

sonic meat machine — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 16:36:11 -0800

I've always called the front pocket the hip pocket. It's actually on the hip, after all.

By: grouse

grouse — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 16:36:51 -0800

The Oxford English Dictionary says, "hip-pocket, a pocket in a pair of trousers, just behind the hip."

Also, hip-flask, a flask for intoxicating liquor carried in a hip-pocket, and hip-revolver, one carried in the hip-pocket.

By: jamaro

jamaro — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 16:37:24 -0800

I've always thought it was the pocket or pockets sewn into the side seams of pants, dress or skirt. Clothing manufacturers seem to refer to it that way.

Based on the above, jeans would not have hip pockets (they have front, back and watch pockets) but a pair of dress slacks would.

By: exceptinsects

exceptinsects — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 16:40:23 -0800

Yeah, see! You wouldn't carry a hip-flask in your front pocket, would you?

By: JayRwv

JayRwv — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 16:41:23 -0800

By definition:
hip pocket

noun
a pocket in rear of trousers

By: miss lynnster

miss lynnster — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 16:42:45 -0800

Huh. Guess I've been saying it wrong too. At first I thought the front pocket, but *all* online dictionaries say it's the back pocket.

I'm officially a smidgen less ignorant now. Thanks, AskMe!

By: Flunkie

Flunkie — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 16:43:15 -0800

So hip pocket == front pocket.

I don't understand how you've drawn that conclusion from the song you're quoting. It doesn't contain the word "hip" anywhere in it.

Are you claiming that because it contains the term "back pocket", then "back pocket" must not refer to "hip pocket", because otherwise she would hav said "hip pocket"? If so, that makes little to no sense to me, but it's the best theory I can come up with for your claim.

I get the feeling I'm missing something obvious here.

By: Marie Mon Dieu

Marie Mon Dieu — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 16:45:48 -0800

Hip pocket is the back pocket. There's even a hip-pocket syndrome.

By: Flunkie

Flunkie — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 16:45:50 -0800

For what it's worth, the OED says that the hip pocket is "just behind the hip".

By: jamaro

jamaro — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 16:50:24 -0800

Ooh, this is neat: a custom tailoring site with lots of pictures. Based on their description in the item labeled Double Pleats TURNED IN S-11 TI, (2nd row down, 2nd column) it appears the hip pocket are indeed the ones on the back, as those are the only ones which match the description on their site.

By: jamaro

jamaro — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 16:55:59 -0800

And to add to the confusion, here's a sewing book which pictures the hip pocket the way I always thought it was: opening via the side seam.

By: grobstein

grobstein — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 17:09:26 -0800

The Oxford English Dictionary says, "hip-pocket, a pocket in a pair of trousers, just behind the hip."

It's got to be the pockets at the side seam, because the back pockets are all the way behind the hip, rather than "just behind the hip."

By: rokusan

rokusan — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 17:10:05 -0800

Back pocket. A hip flask fits into that one, curve and all.

By: mumkin

mumkin — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 17:17:36 -0800

I think the foregoing definitions and citations should be sufficient to establish it, but in my world the hip picket has always been the back pocket.

By: zengargoyle

zengargoyle — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 17:27:21 -0800

Hip Flask... They are usually contoured to match the curve of the wearer's hip or thigh, for comfort and discreetness. Not buttocks. You'd have to take it out every time you sit down.

I wonder if "just behind the hip" is referring to the bony protrusions known as hipbones. When you "bump hips" you're not standing back to back. My vote goes for the side seam pocket. When you "put your hands on your hips", they are not in your back pocket.

By: UbuRoivas

UbuRoivas — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 17:48:39 -0800

The hip pocket is whichever one is large enough to put a Moleskine into.

By: chez shoes

chez shoes — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 18:00:35 -0800

It's never occurred to me that it was anything other than the, uh, butt pocket. Where the hip flask goes.

By: orme

orme — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 18:13:30 -0800

The hip pocket is where you put your cool stuff.

By: Bango Skank

Bango Skank — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 18:23:17 -0800

Its the back pocket, definitely. I surprised that it has even inspired this much conversation.

By: Bango Skank

Bango Skank — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 18:26:24 -0800

I just asked Mrs. Bango this question and now we're arguing so maybe the answer isn't as obvious as I thought it was.

By: entropic

entropic — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 18:55:16 -0800

The real question is how do you pronounce mausoleum? You're telling me it doesn't rhyme with linoleum?

By: desuetude

desuetude — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 19:13:04 -0800

I'm astounded that anyone knows this to be the back pocket. That makes no sense -- my hip pocket is literally where my hip is. And yeah, hip flasks fit in hip pockets (meaning FRONT) if you're wearing trousers, not tight jeans. (If you're wearing tight jeans, your flask doesn't fit in your back pocket either.)

By: rokusan

rokusan — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 19:13:44 -0800

The real question is how do you pronounce mausoleum? You're telling me it doesn't rhyme with linoleum?

I think he meant the stressed syllable, which is different. Either sounds pretty funny if you stress it the other way.

By: UbuRoivas

UbuRoivas — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 19:27:58 -0800

maws-uh-LEUM v line-uh-LEUM.

i don't understand the controversy.

By: rokusan

rokusan — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 19:28:52 -0800

All four paper dictionaries in my house say some version of "the back pocket in a pair of trousers" (one also offers "...or skirt").

But I love this thread regardless!

By: rokusan

rokusan — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 19:29:51 -0800

line-uh-LEUM? That WOULD rhyme with mausoleum. :)

Linn-OH-lee-um.

By: Emperor SnooKloze

Emperor SnooKloze — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 20:04:12 -0800

There are people whose front pockets are "just behind their hipbones?" That's fuckin' freaky. Hip pocket: back.

By: exceptinsects

exceptinsects — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 20:07:18 -0800

I am adding the "canofworms" tag and suggest it to all of you for future use.

By: Space Kitty

Space Kitty — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 20:11:39 -0800

Why would it be called a hip pocket if it's on your butt? The hip pocket is the front pocket - the one nearest your hip bones.

*baffled*

By: artdrectr

artdrectr — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 20:26:53 -0800

Jeans don't have hip pockets.

Hip pockets are on the sides of Jean's hip trousers.

By: UbuRoivas

UbuRoivas — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 20:30:04 -0800

In terms of musculature, the ends of your hip flexors are roughly where your front pockets would be, whereas the rear pockets are located over (a smallish part of) your gluteus maximuses (glutei maximi?). In lay terms, that would give you hip pockets & butt pockets.

By: mumstheword

mumstheword — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 21:14:55 -0800

5 random dictionaries, plus a thesaurus uniformly attest..."hip pocket" refers to back pocket of trousers, skirt, etc. OP didn't question where a person individually thinks a hip pocket is placed relative to their body...although for me, personally, my hip is where a pocket never is...all my pockets are in front of or behind my actual hip. I think the question is about what "hip pocket" commonly refers to, in written material and spoken. Dictionaries are helpful for this sort of thing, where what's obvious to each of us is...not always obviously the same to each of us.

none of the dictionaries mentioned a regional difference.

By: MsMolly

MsMolly — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 21:20:25 -0800

I think the people saying that it's the pockets on the side seam must be right, but I always always thought of it as the pockets on the front just over your hipbones. It wouldn't have ever occurred to me that anyone thought it was the back pockets. AskMe once again delivers a new perspective! Fascinating.

By: MsMolly

MsMolly — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 21:45:44 -0800

To follow up, the OED has the following citation:

"1922 S. LEWIS Babbitt xviii. 228 Drinking together from hip-pocket flasks."

So we can look at contemporaneous men's fashion to see where the pockets are. Joe College on the right in this picture is putting his hand in what I think must be the hip pocket, fitting the theory that it's a pocket on the side seam. I guess what we forget is that no one really wore jeans as an item of non-laborer clothing back then, so trying to map the idea of a "hip pocket" to blue jeans is looking at the wrong type of trousers. This guy also has his hand in this hip pocket while he expresses relief that the Talon Trouser Fastener is keeping his fly nice and smooth.

By: zengargoyle

zengargoyle — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 21:56:38 -0800

I asked an international chat group who all confirmed 'front' or 'side' was hip, not 'back'.

By: UbuRoivas

UbuRoivas — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 22:03:03 -0800

MsMolly's linked illustrations raise an interesting question in my mind: what if the hip pocket wasn't in the trousers at all, but in the jacket? That is to say, pretty much directly over the hip.

For example, the guy on the left in the first link (the guy on the right, from their perspective) might in fact be reaching for his hip-pocket flask, explaining that happy glow on his face, in comparison with his envious looking friend, who has no such flask, and is forced instead to hide his trembling hand in his front-trouser-pocket.

By: Quinbus Flestrin

Quinbus Flestrin — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 22:19:29 -0800

Everyone here seems to be appealing to the logic of where they think their hips are (even then the hip joint is at the side - the ridges on the front of your pelvis are above and in front of your hip joint). Note that the hips are not just the joint, the term also refers to the circumference of the body at the buttocks, so logically the hip pocket can be anywhere on that circumference.

This is a tailoring term not a medical term and old enough for euphemisms to be required for what some here are now happily referring to as a "butt" pocket. All the dictionaries seem to agree that it's a back pocket; whatever you might think that's the generally accepted meaning. Next you will all start arguing that a brassiere has something to do with the arms because logically that's what it should mean given the etymology.

By: cowbellemoo

cowbellemoo — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 22:22:53 -0800

It's totally the front!

By: weapons-grade pandemonium

weapons-grade pandemonium — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 22:53:24 -0800

Rear.

By: eclectist

eclectist — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 23:01:57 -0800

My first thought is : 'Dude, It's the back pocket'. But then I read the thread and I think about it and now have decided, 'That's one that I'm going to ask for further clarification on' ; as in:

"Yeah, while the jury was deliberating, he totally brought out this flask from his hip pocket and offered me a drink!"
"Wait, his front or back pocket?"

But this little exercise did give me the correct name for that little pocket in the front, the one in which you put your grandfather's wind-up watch: the fob pocket

By: planetkyoto

planetkyoto — Mon, 16 Feb 2009 00:39:54 -0800

It's the back pocket. People who say different are living a lie.

By: dinty_moore

dinty_moore — Mon, 16 Feb 2009 05:21:20 -0800

I always thought it was a side pocket. I've been living a lie.

(though now I want to pronounce mausoleum so it rhymes with linoleum)

By: onya

onya — Mon, 16 Feb 2009 07:00:22 -0800

The "hip pocket nerve" colloquially refers to a mythical nerve located behind the wallet, which feels pain when money is removed from said wallet.

You expect english to make sense?

By: generalist

generalist — Mon, 16 Feb 2009 08:17:50 -0800

"The American Pocket" NY Times, March 5, 1880 (pdf).

The story doesn't say where exactly the pocket is, but from
as the back of the small rocking-chair was of hard wood, it is not strange that the bottle yielded
we can infer that the hip-pocket isn't the front one.

And remember:
good authorities maintain that the hip-pocket is positively detrimental, and that an earnest and united effort should be made to procure its extirpation.

By: exceptinsects

exceptinsects — Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:17:41 -0800

Well, that seems conclusive, generalist! Awesome.

To sum up* so far:

Opinions:
Front 11
Back 10
Side 4
Watch? 1

Sources:
Front 0
Back 14
Side 1
Inconclusive 3

*These statistics are a rough estimate and should not be quoted precisely in arguments

By: generalist

generalist — Mon, 16 Feb 2009 10:58:26 -0800

I wonder if earlier usage of "hip-pocket" refers to something a little different than a back pocket. It seems the most well-known uses for the hip-pocket were toting whiskey or a revolver, and a back pocket as we know it today wouldn't be very convenient for either.

A 1938 book on shooting shows "the hip pocket draw" from a holster that is "fastened..to the pocket." It looks to me like the pocket is closer to the side seam than it would be on modern pants. So maybe originally somewhere in between ass and side, and as fewer and fewer dudes carried pistols or booze, it crept further back. I'd love to hear from someone who actually knows about this stuff.

By: UbuRoivas

UbuRoivas — Mon, 16 Feb 2009 13:59:53 -0800

Next you will all start arguing that a brassiere has something to do with the arms because logically that's what it should mean given the etymology.

Close, but it's shoulders, not arms.

Why else would they be nicknamed "under shoulder boulder holders"?

By: miss lynnster

miss lynnster — Mon, 16 Feb 2009 22:24:08 -0800

I hate to correct you... but I believe it's "over the shoulder boulder holder." At least, that's how my grandma said it.

For secondary confirmation, see 1:35.