Comments on: China's Middle Class is Larger than the US', and more.

Question: China's Middle Class is Larger than the US', and more.

parallax7d — Thu, 11 Dec 2008 10:42:15 -0800

My knowledge of the world outside the US is governed by a gallimaufry of dim suppositions and half remembered facts gleamed from talk radio and the news. What are some notable facts about foreign lands that you have found to be helpful or instructive? Yes, there is the CIA World Factbook and Wikipedia, but I'm looking for info and facts that you have found to be useful or telling.

Things like South Korea has a thriving videogame subculture, or that Brazil has an impressive agriculture system. Facts pertaining to the top 20 countries would be especially appreciated.

By: parallax7d

parallax7d — Thu, 11 Dec 2008 10:45:05 -0800

If this thread is successful I will make a mnemosyne card set out of these facts (after some fact checking) and post it up.

By: Maxwell_Smart

Maxwell_Smart — Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:07:48 -0800

"There are today just eight states on earth which have existed since 1914 and not had their form of government changed by violence since then. These are the United Kingdom, four present or former members of the Commonwealth, the United States, Sweden, and Switzerland. Of the remaining 170 or so contemporary states, some are too recently created to have known much recent turmoil, but for the greater number that have done, far the most frequent factor has been ethnic conflict." --Daniel Patrick Moynihan in Pandaemonium

By: Mutant

Mutant — Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:07:33 -0800

I've done business in some thirty odd countries and people are fundamentally the same all over. This is true of the G-20 or Developing Nations or even politically unstable countries in the throes of a coup (Togo, 2005, very interesting).

Now your governments, however, well sir, governments are where really small differences in people that we could otherwise work out become big, big problems.

By: tkolar

tkolar — Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:04:51 -0800

Alone in Southeast asia, Thailand has never been ruled by a foreign power.

By: tkolar

tkolar — Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:09:59 -0800

Oh, and a fact about the U.S. you might not be aware of but is useful to know when interacting with the rest of the world: The U.S. has 700+ military bases on foreign soil. At last count, there was precisely one foreign military base, a British refueling station, on U.S. soil.

People outside the U.S. tend to be more aware of this fact than we Americans are.

By: tkolar

tkolar — Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:15:15 -0800

This may have changed due to the new U.S. travel restrictions, but as of the 2000 election a significantly higher percentage of Japanese citizens held passports than did red state citizens.

(the Japanese are often criticized for xenophobia, and many were dumbfounded when the U.S. elected a President who had barely left the country.)

By: tkolar

tkolar — Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:19:29 -0800

Currently New Zealand has a population of 40 million sheep and 4 million people. (source)

By: tkolar

tkolar — Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:21:17 -0800

South Africa's vaunted violent crime rate is only a few tenths of a percent higher than New York City's crime rate throughout the late 1990s.

By: tkolar

tkolar — Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:25:33 -0800

The labor laws in Europe make it very very difficult to let an employee go. For this reason the practice we have in the U.S. of hiring people when business is good and letting them go when things are slow is almost unheard of.

By: Dasein

Dasein — Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:39:08 -0800

South Africa's vaunted violent crime rate is only a few tenths of a percent higher than New York City's crime rate throughout the late 1990s.

*Sounds horn* Wrong!

South Africa's murder rate for 2005/2006 per 100,000: 39.5. Rape: 117.1.

New York's murder rate in 1990 (the worst year): 14.5. Rape: 29.8.

(In 2007 New York's murder rate was 4.2 and rape was 15.2.)

By: whatzit

whatzit — Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:44:10 -0800

There's one vending machine for ever 15 people in Japan. (Some social scientist types theorize that they are enabling persistent social isolation, whereby even small interactions with convenience store clerks, ticket sellers, etc., are eliminated.) (Why do I never bookmark cool articles.)

By: mdonley

mdonley — Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:11:25 -0800

The four countries with the largest numbers of Muslim residents are India, Pakistan, Indonesia, and Bangladesh, in that order.

There are more Muslims in Nigeria than in Iran, more in Serbia and (now-independent) Montenegro than in the United Arab Emirates, more in Thailand than in Lebanon, more in Russia than in Malaysia, and more in China than in Syria.

More Muslims live outside the Middle East than within it.

Islam is the second-largest religion in Europe.

By: tkolar

tkolar — Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:03:04 -0800

*Sounds horn* right back at Desein:

New York's violent crime rate in 1990: 1,180.9 per 100,000 people.
South Africa's contact crime rate in 2008: 1,387 per 100,000 people.

You were, however, correct that it was the late eighties, not late nineties, that things got bad in New York.

By: tkolar

tkolar — Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:07:45 -0800

Oh, and also if we were only going by the rape and murder numbers, it's the difference between 0.13% and 0.05%.

This proves me wrong again, it was less than a tenth of a percent.

By: eritain

eritain — Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:37:24 -0800

In Eastern Europe, countries that use the Cyrillic alphabet are (traditionally primarily) Orthodox. Countries that use the Latin alphabet are (traditionally primarily) Catholic.

By: -harlequin-

-harlequin- — Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:42:17 -0800

Airfares are dirt cheap right now, and the US dollar is sky high - the price of everything in the world outside the US is at a huge discount.
Save some money, take a few weeks off, and then instead of memorizing facts, you can remember memories. Eg "In New Zealand, homelessness is nearly unheard of, and you could walk the streets without people asking you for money. Instead of beggers, there were buskers. One of them was this guy who did this absolutely amazing juggling while on a unicycle, attracting a huge crowd (and the crowd in turn attracted more and more curious people), but then another busker was this really old guy playing the violin really badly - he was really more like a beggar disguised as a busker, using the weak wavering sound of his violin to get sympathy money."

Memories beat statistics :)

By: tkolar

tkolar — Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:58:49 -0800

That reminds me: Osaka, Japan has a huge homeless population living in the public parks and along the river. Look for the blue tarps.

It surprised me greatly to see that many homeless people in Japan.

By: Dasein

Dasein — Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:28:04 -0800

tkolar, I think you're totally misrepresenting statistics at this point. It's nearly meaningless to say that crime is only "a few tenths of a percent" higher when you're tracking crime as a percentage of total population - because then even the most dangerous countries in the world are only "a few tenths of a percent" worse than a utopian paradise. That's not a meaningful measure.

South Africa's rape rate, for instance, is 0.117% of total population - my God! That's only about a tenth of a percent more than a country that has no rape at all! Hallelujah! Women are safe in South Africa! Actually, no, South Africa continues to experience has one of the worst rape epidemics in the world outside actual war zones like the Eastern Congo.

As typically expressed, in terms of incidents per 100,000 people, South Africa's murder rate is not "a few tenths of a percent" worse than New York - it's more two and a half times higher.

But thank you for demonstrating to the OP how you can cook up bullshit statistics about any place on earth to impress gullible friends.

By: Dasein

Dasein — Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:07:06 -0800

To answer the OP's question, rather than just engage in an argument about crime statistics, one fact I've found interesting is that until fairly recently German citizenship was earned not by birth but by having a mother with German citizenship. This meant that lots of third-generation Turks living in Germany who spoke German couldn't get German citizenship, but far-flung emigrants' children who didn't know a word of it could.

By: oostevo

oostevo — Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:50:00 -0800

It's not a source of straight-up statistics or anecdotes, but I'm constantly surprised by the world news coverage of the BBC. You can listen to their radio for free here and they've got a RSS feed (of their front page news) here.

If you're interested in continuing down that path, pick up subscriptions to the Economist and Foreign Affairs. Rather than just facts, you'll start absorbing the why too, which helps vastly more with both understanding and recall.

No kidding, you'll soon surprise yourself with your ability to hold your own in a conversation about the regional politics of, e.g. individual African countries. Happened to me.

(Or you could just pick up a few international relations classes at a local university ...)

By: soelo

soelo — Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:19:42 -0800

If you want a book full of these types of facts and figures, try "What Every American Should Know about the Rest of the World" by Melissa L. Rossi

By: tkolar

tkolar — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:38:04 -0800

But thank you for demonstrating to the OP how you can cook up bullshit statistics about any place on earth to impress gullible friends.

Another fun world fact: absolutely no country in the world clings to its self-image of being a violent, dangerous place like South Africa.