Comments on: Do busses in your country make (give) change?

Question: Do busses in your country make (give) change?

Danelope — Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:40:39 -0800

The MetaFilterist's Quarterly Public Transportation Survey:
Do busses in your country make (give) change?

Aside from walking, Seattle's Metro Transit has been my chosen mode of travel since I arrived in 2001. During my tenure as a passenger, I have learned The Immutable Truths of Riding:

1. The Bus shall alwayes be ten minutes late but for the tymes ye too are late, in which case The Bus will be early.
2. The Bus shall alwayes be most croweded during the most traffic-laden, sweltering, or rain-soaked tymes.
3. The Bus shall house no less than two insane persons at any given moment.
4. The Bus shall neither make nor give change.

Despite the fundamental trueness of these principles, I have borne witness on countless occasions to someone new to this fair city -- and indeed, this country -- attempting to board the bus with the expectation that the driver will provide them with change. Needless to say, the collision of surly driver and non-native English speaker is an awkward and often unpleasant one.

It is for this reason that I put it to you: Do busses in your country provide change? Is America behind the curve (and, from here, do we turn the corner or stay the course?)

By: Happydaz

Happydaz — Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:51:09 -0800

When I traveled in London, the buses didn't give change. Perhaps it's just because I'm a Yank who didn't know any better, though.

By the way, Danelope, this is just FYI, but 'busses' means to kiss. Buses means plural mass transit devices. You made the mistake in Metafilter, I made the mistake in print for an article I filed for my newspaper about a year ago :-)

By: zadcat

zadcat — Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:51:11 -0800

Bus drivers in Montreal (Canada) don't provide change. They used to when I was a kid but they haven't for years. I don't know whether it was their union or some kind of management streamlining that made them stop.

By: tomharpel

tomharpel — Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:59:09 -0800

Pittsburgh buses do not make change, but that's not my county. My county is King, but Danelope, you already covered that county.

By: drezdn

drezdn — Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:59:56 -0800

In Milwaukee, the driver won't make change, but there's a backwards way to get change. If you pay more than the amount, you can demand a receipt from the driver which can then be redeemed for change.

I've never actually seen anyone try this as it would probably be an incredible hassle.

By: riffola

riffola — Tue, 12 Oct 2004 23:05:19 -0800

BEST buses in Mumbai have real human bus conductors who are in charge of taking fare based on distance travelled. So you actually do get change back, if applicable. Whereas NYC buses, I believe don't make change since they only accept coins and metrocards.

By: Turtles all the way down

Turtles all the way down — Tue, 12 Oct 2004 23:23:47 -0800

Vancouver, B.C.: No change.

By: arha

arha — Tue, 12 Oct 2004 23:29:47 -0800

Australia they give change and a scowl (at least in Sydney and Brisbane that is).

By: misteraitch

misteraitch — Tue, 12 Oct 2004 23:37:07 -0800

Karlskrona, Sweden: they give change here when they can, which is almost always.

By: mrgavins

mrgavins — Tue, 12 Oct 2004 23:45:55 -0800

Ottawa and Waterloo, Ontario, Canada: No change

By: Jimbob

Jimbob — Tue, 12 Oct 2004 23:50:23 -0800

They give change in Adelaide, Australia, but only coins, not notes.

By: croutonsupafreak

croutonsupafreak — Wed, 13 Oct 2004 00:08:53 -0800

No change in Portland, Ore. But they do take pennies.

No change in the DC metro area either, unless something has changed in recent years.

By: kirkaracha

kirkaracha — Wed, 13 Oct 2004 00:13:47 -0800

San Francisco: no change for you!

By: seanyboy

seanyboy — Wed, 13 Oct 2004 00:16:19 -0800

West Yorkshire. Buses do give change, but there is a tendency to grumble about trying to buy a ticket with notes (£5 upwards)

Bus driver Joke #12:
Q. How many bus drivers does it take to change a lightbulb.
A. I'm not changing that.

In situations where you're desparate for a ticket, and no change is available, the bus driver will either wander up and down the bus asking if anybody has change. If none is available, the driver will give you a reciept for the difference which you can get refunded at a bus station.

By: hattifattener

hattifattener — Wed, 13 Oct 2004 00:26:32 -0800

(I too live in Seattle, but) IIRC, on the other side of the Sound the Jefferson Transit (and/or Kitsap Transit? it's been a little while) bus drivers can give change.

When I visited the UK a few years ago, I was surprised to find that the vaguely-London-area buses I rode had drivers that would make change, and in fact this was normal — I was initially careful to have exact change, but the drivers seemed to expect to have to make change.

As for your point 3, I frequently find no crazy people on my buses, but I do occasionally end up having to share someone's tobacco miasma. Bleah.

I've once seen a driver here in Seattle make change for a passenger out of the next passenger's fare (once it goes into the farebox, the driver can't get it out; an anti-robbery measure I assume). That's rare though. More often, I've had a driver simply let me pay a bit less than the actual fare (if, e.g., I have $1.15 for a $1.25 fare). Most often, it's just tough luck if you don't have exact change.

By: skylar

skylar — Wed, 13 Oct 2004 00:50:41 -0800

Happydaz, buses in London do give change. It's just that bus drivers don't like changing notes. So if you give them a £2 coin they'll give you £1 back... but give them a £5 note (or God forbit a £10 note) and they'll look at you like you're Satan.

Incidentally they've started up a stupid scheme in the centre of London where you have to buy your tickets before getting on the bus. The problem with this a lot of the machines are broken - and besides, many people forget that they have to buy the tickets beforehand. So they end up buying them on the bus anyway.

The reason behind the scheme is to allow the bus to travel quickly without wasting time at the stops; we used to have bus conductors who served the same purpose but alas most of them are now unemployed.

By: sebas

sebas — Wed, 13 Oct 2004 01:43:29 -0800

In switzerland you have to buy a ticket before you get on a bus. The machine gives change.

If you are in the countryside the busdrivers give you change if you buy a ticket on the bus itself.

By: i_cola

i_cola — Wed, 13 Oct 2004 01:58:19 -0800

Brighton, UK buses give change.

The buses in Las Vegas, NV don't but fellow passengers will help out.

skylar: Think of the number of buses in London on an average day & then multiply that by, say, GBP 15,000. Divide that figure by the number of bus journeys in a year and that is the increase in fares to cover conductors.

By: kev23f

kev23f — Wed, 13 Oct 2004 02:16:37 -0800

Dublin, Ireland - you cant pay with a note of any kind, only coins. This was to stop peopple robbing the drivers. If you dont have the exact fare in coins they'll print you off a little ticket that can be redeemed in a central office. Almost nobody does this, some charities collect them though.

By: floanna

floanna — Wed, 13 Oct 2004 03:20:53 -0800

My local buses in Kent will give change but again they don't like the notes, hence I always try to have change ready.

It's true a lot of the bus ticket machines in London do not work and I have seen many, many people have not realised they have to pay before they get on. I've heard stories of the nicer bus drivers (few and far between) will let you on the bus and get off at the next bus stop for you to try another machine.

Skylar, if you're having problems with the tkt machines then get yourself a PrePay Oyster card, where you pay-as-you-go and only pay 70p per bus journey rather than a £1.00. You can also use the PrePay to pay for discounted single journeys on the Tube, Docklands Light Railway, Tramlink and certain National Rail Routes and as long as you have money on the card you don't need to fumble for change.

Also, having been to Reykjavik in Iceland this year, I can confirm their local buses do not give change, but the cross country buses will.

By: signal

signal — Wed, 13 Oct 2004 05:21:45 -0800

Santiago, Chile, driver gives change, drives, drinks coke, eats ice cream, opens and shuts doors, honks at (to him) good looking girls, yells at other drivers, etc. all at the same time. Sometimes looks at the road, too.
They tried to put in machines (on the buses) where you'd pay and get change, but the drivers sabotaged them (with sand), becasue apparently they have a racket where they steal a lot of the fares, and the machines cramped their style.

By: skylar

skylar — Wed, 13 Oct 2004 05:34:49 -0800

Hey Floanna... about the PrePay Oyster Card... do I need to register my name, address etc for that? I'm keen on pre-paying (and paying less) but not so happy about having an RFID chip in my wallet which connects to a database that tracks all my movements around London.

By: smackfu

smackfu — Wed, 13 Oct 2004 06:01:52 -0800

Florence, Italy - Have to buy ticket before boarding. Can only buy tickets at newstands. Bus drivers are behind a plexi wall on the bus.

By: jessamyn

jessamyn — Wed, 13 Oct 2004 06:08:51 -0800

My experience in Seattle was the same as yours, Danelope, no change. I have also noticed no change being given in Boston, San Francisco, Chicago, Portland OR and Washington DC. When I lived in Romania [a while ago, things might have changed] the drivers had nothing to do with the passengers at all. You'd buy a little ticket from a ticketseller at the bus stop for a dime, then you'd "validate" it on the bus by going to one of various hole-puncher machines on the bus. Each bus had a particular punch hole configuration [which maybe varied by day] and if the inspector guy came on the bus and you couldn't show a validated ticket, you were in a world of hurt. However, the guy was only on the bus maybe one out of every 10-20 times, so a lot of people took their chances.

By: backOfYourMind

backOfYourMind — Wed, 13 Oct 2004 06:23:06 -0800

Australia they give change and a scowl

In Brisbane at least, this is definitely true. If you try to pay with a note (say $10 note for a $3.60 fare), the driver will make you stand in the doorway while they grudgingly rummage through their change tray, wallet and pockets for change while the rest of the passengers project maximum strength hate-rays at you. You will rarely be actually refused on the bus, despite the 'Please use exact change' signs on the doors.

Paying with two $2 coins for a $3.60 fare on the other hand will merely earn you a silent exasperated eye-roll, which is as close to a smile as you're going to get from a Brisbane bus driver.

By: majick

majick — Wed, 13 Oct 2004 06:24:16 -0800

I have taken transit in urban, suburban, and rural areas of California and Oregon, and none have ever made change. The exception to this is the San Francisco cable cars, where the conductor may be willing to make change if he's in a good mood or unhurried. I've never seen a bus or light rail system that provided change at the point of boarding.

By: Coffeemate

Coffeemate — Wed, 13 Oct 2004 06:27:19 -0800

Minneapolis/St. Paul buses do not give change.

By: werty

werty — Wed, 13 Oct 2004 06:40:14 -0800

Commuter buses in New Jersey give change, so long as you're close. A $5.50 fare paid with $6 or $10 will get you the difference, although the $10 gets some grumbling. No twenties allowed.

This is, of course, a somewhat different situation from the hop-on hop-off city bus routes.

By: sugarfish

sugarfish — Wed, 13 Oct 2004 06:44:20 -0800

Chicago, no change, if you're using money. You can use farecards, too.

By: floanna

floanna — Wed, 13 Oct 2004 06:51:54 -0800

Sorry, this is going to be a little bit off topic.

Skylar... If you have PrePay you don't need to register but if it's a season ticket then yes you do. The only thing is that if you don't register your PrePay then if it's lost or stolen you will lose any money on it. Also there is no after sales service. In regards to the RFID tag, the only data that is used is if you have any queries about charging, journey details etc when you request it. Otherwise journey data is only used to track travel flow (if more or less services are needed etc) and abides by the Data Protection Act. The Oyster card website is very good for info, particularly the Ask Oyster section.

By: some chick

some chick — Wed, 13 Oct 2004 07:08:30 -0800

Calgary Alberta - No change.

By: mbd1mbd1

mbd1mbd1 — Wed, 13 Oct 2004 07:11:22 -0800

No change on the SEPTA buses in Philly.

By: fjom

fjom — Wed, 13 Oct 2004 08:03:49 -0800

Guadalajara, Mexico. Drivers do give change (along with most of the stuff signal mentioned for Santiago).
It's been a while since I rode a crowded bus during rush hour, (think sardines) but when I did it was pretty common for some people to climb the bus through the back door and send their fare to the front via a chain of "pass this on, please". The driver would then send the ticket and change back in this same method. If you happened to be standing in the middle of the bus you touched a lot of money on your way home!

By: ssmith

ssmith — Wed, 13 Oct 2004 08:03:50 -0800

Boston Massachusetts. Not only no, but hell no.

By: romakimmy

romakimmy — Wed, 13 Oct 2004 08:48:41 -0800

Florence, Italy - Have to buy ticket before boarding. Can only buy tickets at newstands. Bus drivers are behind a plexi wall on the bus.

Ditto Rome. Tickets can be bought at newstands, tabacco stores, or (rarely working) automatic machines. As a sidenote, it's taken 4 years to switch from a simple paper ticket scheme to a magnetic strip ticket or monthly chip pass (and it's still not 100%).

Regional buses it's 50-50, depending on where you are. Sometimes you purchase before boarding, sometimes you can buy a ticket on the bus.

By: signal

signal — Wed, 13 Oct 2004 09:19:10 -0800

fjom: we have the fare bucket brigade in Santiago, as well.

By: planetkyoto

planetkyoto — Wed, 13 Oct 2004 09:31:05 -0800

Buses in Japan have a bill/coin changer and card reader built into the fare box.

By: jacquilynne

jacquilynne — Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:21:03 -0800

I live in Canada, and in all my travels have never seen a bus that offered change, most people don't even pay fares in cash, but using tickets, tokens, passes, etc.

On the other hand, I lived in Brazil for a year, and there they had an extra person sitting on the bus precisely to take fares and make change.

By: malpractice

malpractice — Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:55:44 -0800

Wellington, New Zealand, they usually give change (unless given too large a note).

By: Danelope

Danelope — Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:40:20 -0800

Thanks to everyone who's answered thus far; I've really enjoyed reading these responses! What of busses (yes, busses!) in the rest of Europe? Russia? Asia? Island nations the world over?

By: jeremy

jeremy — Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:23:17 -0800

Hoo! Danelope is right. "Busses" is the second (less common or less desirable, depending on how you read what the editors mean by position) plural option listed by Merriam-Webster online. IMO, better to stick with "Buses" for vehicles and "Busses" for kisses, but hey. To each his own.

Portland already mentioned above a couple of times, though there are machines that give change (and take credit cards) in the more populated parts of the city. When I was still living there (in the promised land) the machines were new, though, so I didn't experience what it's like to have all or most of the machines broken.

Busses all around.

By: Danelope

Danelope — Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:57:22 -0800

"Buses" looks inherently wrong to me; neither "uses" nor "abuses" are pronounced in a similar fashion. Same goes for "gases" and "gasses".

Of course, I also use "spelt" and "dreamt", so perhaps I'm just a grammatical anomaly.

By: deadcowdan

deadcowdan — Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:44:45 -0800

Grand Rapids, MI - Buses give back change in the form of change cards, which naturally can only be used on the bus. Better than nothing, but not by much.

Growing up in Japan, I remember the buses providing change. I think the main reason they don't here is due to the threat of robbery. In Japan at the time, I don't think that was a big consideration. I have no idea about today.