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	<title>Comments on: Production values are overrated</title>
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	<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 12:24:10 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Question: Production values are overrated</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/106631/Production-values-are-overrated</link>	
		<description>For the past 6-7 years I&apos;ve owned a mac and therefore paid very little attention to the indie freeware/shareware pc games scene.  Recently I got a copy of crossover for my macbook and I&apos;m looking for good places to find small, quality, non resource-intensive games to play. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; In the past I&apos;ve really enjoyed games like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves&quot;&gt;Dwarf Fortress&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dominions3.com&quot;&gt;Dominions&lt;/a&gt;, games that were built by one or two guys on their off hours as a labor of love.&lt;br&gt;
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Now that I&apos;ve got crossover, I&apos;ve not only been playing some of great abandonware games of my semi-youth, I&apos;ve also been having a blast staying up way past my bedtime playing old pc games like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.malfador.com/se4.html&quot;&gt;Space Empires 4&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.windowsgames.co.uk/slay.html&quot;&gt;Slay&lt;/a&gt;.  But where can I find more games like these?  Especially with 5+ years old games it seems really hard to find the gems out there.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 12:06:39 -0800</pubDate>
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			<category>crossover</category>
		
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		<title>By: Grither</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/106631/Production-values-are-overrated#1538477</link>	
		<description>A couple games that I&apos;ve really enjoyed recently that aren&apos;t very resource intensive:&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://2dboy.com/games.php&quot;&gt;World of Goo&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://fantasticcontraption.com/&quot;&gt;Fantastic Contraption&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<dc:creator>Grither</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Grither</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/106631/Production-values-are-overrated#1538480</link>	
		<description>Oh, I missed the point of the question I suppose....Fantastic Contraption is free to play the designer&apos;s levels, but to play levels made by players (which is a TON), you have to pay $5 or $15.  And World of Goo is also $15.  But I think they are both well worth it...</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 12:26:49 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Grither</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: burnmp3s</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/106631/Production-values-are-overrated#1538482</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.the-underdogs.info/&quot;&gt;Home of the Underdogs&lt;/a&gt; is a great place to find both newer indie PC games and older abandonware games.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 12:27:49 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>burnmp3s</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: burnmp3s</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/106631/Production-values-are-overrated#1538486</link>	
		<description>Or at least it &lt;i&gt;was&lt;/i&gt; great until a few months ago.  According to &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_of_the_Underdogs&quot;&gt;Wikipedia&lt;/a&gt; it went down in September and hasn&apos;t fully recovered.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 12:31:39 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>burnmp3s</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: pwicks</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/106631/Production-values-are-overrated#1538536</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gametunnel.com/&quot;&gt;GameTunnel&lt;/a&gt; has a bunch of reviews of independent games. The various &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gametunnel.com/articles.php?id=661&quot;&gt;end-of-year&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gametunnel.com/articles.php?id=412&quot;&gt;best-of&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gametunnel.com/articles.php?id=569&quot;&gt;articles&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gametunnel.com/articles.php?id=359&quot;&gt;are&lt;/a&gt; probably the most useful and they go back 4 or 5 years. Some of those older games are really awesome. The two I&apos;d recommend off the top of my head are Oasis and Gish.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 13:18:51 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: General Malaise</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/106631/Production-values-are-overrated#1538539</link>	
		<description>In case you missed it 6-7 years ago, Snood is a classic favorite.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 13:19:40 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>General Malaise</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: General Malaise</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/106631/Production-values-are-overrated#1538540</link>	
		<description>Although, come to think of it, it&apos;s also available on the Mac.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 13:20:24 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>General Malaise</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: chairface</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/106631/Production-values-are-overrated#1538574</link>	
		<description>Fallout and Fallout 2 should both be available somewhere and don&apos;t do any 3d. I think Fallout was ported to the Mac though.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 13:47:18 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Marisa Stole the Precious Thing</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/106631/Production-values-are-overrated#1538720</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.doujinstyle.com/touhougames.php&quot;&gt;TOUHOU!&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:35:28 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mismatched</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/106631/Production-values-are-overrated#1538980</link>	
		<description>Is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cavestory.org/index.php&quot;&gt;Cave Story&lt;/a&gt; the sort of thing you&apos;re looking for here? It&apos;s available for mac, actually, and an older indie game. I haven&apos;t played it -- not the gaming type, really -- but I&apos;ve heard good things about it. Really good things. Like, large amounts of rabid fans good things. &lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
And also it&apos;s free.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:02:19 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: blueberry</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/106631/Production-values-are-overrated#1539049</link>	
		<description>As an alternative to &lt;a href=&quot;http://ask.metafilter.com/106631/Production-values-are-overrated#1538486&quot;&gt;Home of the UnderDogs&lt;/a&gt;, there&apos;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.abandonia.com/&quot;&gt;Abandonia&lt;/a&gt; which is &quot;&lt;code&gt;Dedicated to classic &lt;small&gt;DOS&lt;/small&gt; games&lt;/code&gt;&quot;. I haven&apos;t used Crossover myself, but the games there also work on the Mac using &lt;a href=&quot;http://boxer.washboardabs.net/&quot;&gt;Boxer&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:10:52 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: WalterMitty</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/106631/Production-values-are-overrated#1691166</link>	
		<description>For games more than a couple of years old - though their library goes back to the early 1990s at least - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gog.com&quot;&gt;GOG.com&lt;/a&gt; offers DRM-free, anytime downloads for a fee (usually $5.99 or $9.99 per game). Their games are, by and large, very good ones, at least, with a few greats (e.g. &lt;i&gt;Fallout&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;Fallout 2&lt;/i&gt;). I&apos;ve spent quite a bit of money there over the last few months. They have good support as well.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 14:23:04 -0800</pubDate>
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