Comments on: Can we hear the sun?

Question: Can we hear the sun?

Miss Otis' Egrets — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:47:51 -0800

A question from my five year old: What noise does the sun make?

Ahh, the curiosity of small minds.

Assuming the sun were not in the near-vacuum of space, what sort of a sound would it make? Would it be in the range of our hearing, and if so, from how far away could you hear it? Could it be heard from say, Mercury? Venus?

By: zamboni

zamboni — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:53:27 -0800

Like this: http://solar-center.stanford.edu/singing/

By: tybeet

tybeet — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:54:00 -0800

Since the sun is surrounded by the vacuum of space, and sound requires a medium to travel through, I think the answer would be "none". If you were on the surface of the sun, that might be a different story (I imagine maybe it would be *KAAWWWOWOOOOOOSHHHHH*). But I could be wrong.

By: Blazecock Pileon

Blazecock Pileon — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:54:26 -0800

Tune in with a radio. Sounds like a waterfall, to me.

By: Class Goat

Class Goat — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:54:49 -0800

It would sound a lot like a really big fire. It would be a kind of low-frequency rushing sound.

And yeah, you'd be able to hear it from here.

By: Class Goat

Class Goat — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:55:30 -0800

Tybeet, please note from the question: "Assuming the sun were not in the near-vacuum of space..."

By: milkrate

milkrate — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:56:11 -0800

"Scientists have recorded the sound of three stars similar to our Sun using France's Corot space telescope"

By: Ryvar

Ryvar — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:56:28 -0800

The Sun has a plasma atmosphere, called the corona, which could function as a medium for the transmission of sound. Unfortunately for potential listeners, the temperature is in the millions of degrees (both Fahrenheit and Celsius).

As to what it would sound like - presumably something along the lines of a forest fire with frequent booming punctuations from solar flares and lesser plasma eruptions.

By: tybeet

tybeet — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:57:01 -0800

Yeah, from the article mentioned above "Scientists can learn much about the Sun's complex interior by tracking and deciphering it's sound waves. But, since we can't "hear" the Sun directly, scientists have to watch for the effects of those sounds waves, the Sun's oscillations, to be able to decipher the sounds." So we can watch and reproduce the sound that its rhythms make, but we cannot directly perceive it (nor can anyone on Venus or Mercury).

Still, it does make a sound, and if I were a child that's what I'd want to hear. The article has a neat way of explaining its natural, magical, geometric sound which is probably what I'd want to think about if I were young, if you can figure out a way of explaining it in simpler terms.

By: Kid Charlemagne

Kid Charlemagne — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:22:34 -0800

This is a tough one to even guestimate for a lot of reasons, but you five year old (or inner five year old) might be amused by this. I'll leave it to you to explain Bach, and computer modeling of atmospheric phenomenon to a five year old.

By: mullingitover

mullingitover — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:10:40 -0800

Sound is vibration transmitted through a solid, liquid, or gas. The sun does not make sound because it's not contained in these media. If we are supposing that it were suddenly contained in one of these states of matter, it would heat the medium up to the point that it would cook the listener. So in a sense the sound that the sun makes is the sound of imminent doom.

By: ottereroticist

ottereroticist — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:17:01 -0800

And then there's this. (Not entirely responsive to the question, but your young one might enjoy it.)

The sun is a mass of incandescent gas
A gigantic nuclear furnace
Where hydrogen is built into helium
At a temperature of millions of degrees...

By: flabdablet

flabdablet — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:32:41 -0800

Assuming the sun were not in the near-vacuum of space, what sort of a sound would it make?

It would make the loudest sound anybody has ever heard, as it went through the process of converting the non-vacuum around it back to vacuum again by (a) heating parts of it so violently that they reached the Sun's escape velocity and left the vicinity and (b) gravitationally attracting other parts of it so violently that it fell right into the Sun and got burnt in that star's nuclear furnace. The sound would be so loud that it would not be possible to classify what it sounds like, because there simply isn't anything else that could sound that loud.

I have no maths to back this up, but I suspect that the sounds of the effects the Sun would induce in any surrounding medium would be louder than those originating within the present envelope of what we consider to be the Sun.

Show your kid how big the volume of the Earth is compared to the volume of the storm that flattened New Orleans. Now show your kid how big the Sun is compared to the whole Earth. Now get your kid to imagine the sound of that storm, scaled up by both those factors. Should be near enough.

By: wfrgms

wfrgms — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:36:10 -0800

The Sun warms the Earth and makes life possible.

The sound of the Sun is the sound of everything ever heard by human ears.

By: DarlingBri

DarlingBri — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:48:08 -0800

Q: What noise does the sun make?

A: ROAR!

By: fantabulous timewaster

fantabulous timewaster — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:27:55 -0800

The seismic activity of the sun would probably sound like the seismic activity of the earth, though the pitch would be in a different place.

By: edd

edd — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:38:19 -0800

To follow on from fantabulous timewaster, it looks like helioseismology typically deals with frequencies that are deep in the infrasound range. Which isn't terribly surprising for something so big I guess.

By: turgid dahlia

turgid dahlia — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:21:26 -0800

Q: What noise does the sun make?

A: It's very hot, so I imagine it would be something along the lines of FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-

Seriously though, when you think about how much action is going on up there, I doubt it would sound very much like a traditional fire, forest or otherwise. It would be a continual deafening roar (think the noise you get in your ears when you are deep underwater, holding your breath, amplified by a trillion), interspersed with nuclear explosions every couple of milliseconds.

By: IndigoJones

IndigoJones — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:28:01 -0800

Perhaps the same sound as that tree in the forest when no one's around to hear it? (Though a five year old may not appreciate that kind of answer.)

By: neuron

neuron — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 20:43:18 -0800

Tune in with a radio.

Or even build your own radio to listen with.

By: Class Goat

Class Goat — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:19:32 -0800

I think a good answer for your kid is that it would sound a lot like a big jet engine.

By: zardoz

zardoz — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:43:30 -0800

Wait, where? In the sun? Or just outside the surface? If we had a listening device that could pick up sounds, I'm sure something could be picked up before you reached the actual surface of the sun. A couple hundred miles from the surface perhaps? In the interior, where all the action is happening, that device might pick up sounds akin to the loudest jet engine ever. Or something. It's the science question equivalent of trying to look at the back of your head--it's impossible and will drive you mad just thinking about it. Our entire concept of sound is based on organs (ears) that pick up specific vibrations in a specific medium (air). Take away all of those givens and "sound" doesn't really mean what we think it means.

Your kid is obviously a genius already to ask this question. Tell him that if he figures out the answer when he's a grownup, he'll become really, really rich.

By: Miss Otis' Egrets

Miss Otis' Egrets — Wed, 12 Nov 2008 13:28:37 -0800

Of course she's a genius, zardoz. Why, just yesterday she learnt to ride a bike! Seriously though, this is the latest in a long line of fun questions ranging from easy (how does a baby get in the woman's tummy?) to more complex (how was the sky made? Why do we have countries?).
This one, however, I couldn't answer off the top of my head. (Although my first thought was something similar to DarlingBri's.) I'm quite pleased to learn that indeed the sun does have a sound.