Comments on: Are smarter people more likely to kill themselves?

Question: Are smarter people more likely to kill themselves?

scottreynen — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:44:51 -0800

It seems like most suicides I hear about are very intelligent people, but is there actually any established correlation between intelligence and suicide? Or has this been conclusively rejected as a risk factor? I haven't been able to find any mention of intelligence in various discussions of suicide risk factors.

By: eisenkr

eisenkr — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:59:57 -0800

This is not my area of expertise but this article on the subject looks interesting and has cites to other articles on the topic.

By: drjimmy11

drjimmy11 — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:19:31 -0800

Almost certainly confirmation bias. The key phrase is "that I hear about."

Most people also believe that most suicides are young people, when the truth is the exact opposite. This is because the suicides of young or exceptional people are branded as "tragic" and stick in your mind, while those of the elderly and more ordinary people are quickly forgotten.

By: drjimmy11

drjimmy11 — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:27:22 -0800

this also brings up something that I bet there's a technical name for, but I don't know it.

I'll call it "just world narrative." People want to believe the world is fair and it all balances out. For example, a lot of people believe that those who are poor economically are genuinely better human beings than the rich. It just feels right, like the world should work that way, even if the idea doesn't hold up to careful examination.

By the same token, a lot of people want to believe that the exceptionally intelligent are punished in other ways for their gift. Thus the enduring belief in the ostracized school brain, despite studies showing that the smartest kids are more likely to be the most popular and most athletic, too. Thus the coworker who once said to me, "imagine how depressing it must be to know you're the smartest person in the room." To which I thought, "sounds a lot more fun than knowing you're the dumbest person in the room."

So I think people WANT to believe that the very intelligent are more prone to mental illness and even suicide, but I doubt you'll find any hard evidence to back it up. I could be wrong, I'm not a psychologist, but it just doesn't stand to reason.

By: Foam Pants

Foam Pants — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:53:09 -0800

Perhaps smarter people are more likely to plan to succeed. No, seriously, I think you only hear about the "oh, it's so tragic," suicides. Very few people care when a middle-aged, overweight woman who was a bit of a disappointment to her parents and never really went anywhere and hasn't even had a date in the last two years plans her own death. Oh, I just made myself sad.

By: aeschenkarnos

aeschenkarnos — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:54:45 -0800

Leaving aside biochemical influence on mood, which is independent of intelligence: it is broadly true that the smarter you are, the more things you know about, and can think about. Since the possible bad things significantly outnumber the possible good things in any given situation (which is analogous to the observation that every happy family is alike, but unhappy families are each unhappy in their own way), then the more things you think about, the more of these are going to be bad.

To put it another way:
"See the happy moron,
He doesn't give a damn.
I wish I were a moron,
- My god! Perhaps I am!"
-- Dorothy Parker.

By: mr_roboto

mr_roboto — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:57:18 -0800

Many people have noticed a connection between creativity and bipolar disorder. Touched with Fire, by Kay Jamison, is a very carefully researched book about the phenomenon. It sold a lot of copies when it first came out, despite being significantly more scholarly in tone than the typical popular nonfiction.

By: mattholomew

mattholomew — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 03:36:36 -0800

This article indicates that 'eminent poets' have a suicide rate of 20% as compared to 4% in the general population -- possibly related.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A01E4D7153AF937A15757C0A9629C8B63

By: mattholomew

mattholomew — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 03:37:30 -0800

Sorry, could have linked that better. (Apparently I'm a low suicide risk)

By: roofus

roofus — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 03:49:03 -0800

Google is your friend! A cursory search of google scholar shows lots of papers that confirm this association, both in patients with schizophrenia, and on a country by country basis. I can't immediately find a paper that confirms this for the general population within the US though.

By: Nattie

Nattie — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 04:10:56 -0800

Sort of. Google results for "existential depression"

By: scottreynen

scottreynen — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 05:14:19 -0800

Thanks for the pointers to real research on this. I always forget Google scholar exists.

By: matildaben

matildaben — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:03:11 -0800

It occurs to me that people of below-average intelligence might deal with serious depression or untenable situations not so much by consciously carrying out a suicide plan, but through more prosaic methods such as getting extremely drunk and operating cars or guns (to provide just one example). So it wouldn't go in the statistics as sucide but it would have the same end result.

By: puckish

puckish — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:13:34 -0800

This is old, old, old, but the thing that pops into my head is "egoistic" vs. "anomic" suicide, where the former is definitely correlated with intelligence. I'm a little shady on the details, though -- it's Durkheim on suicide, in the book of that title.