Comments on: Predicting the winner of the US Presidential Election.

Question: Predicting the winner of the US Presidential Election.

clearly — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:24:55 -0800

How can I accurately predict the overall winner of the 2008 US Presidential Election. I would also like to know the best methods of accurately predicting the winner of the electoral votes of each individual state.

I am familiar with the Iowa Electronic Markets as a fairly good indicator of predicting the national election, but what are some other good indicators or predictors of which candidate will win each individual state. These may be past voting trends, current registered voters by party, and others. Please lead me to these resources.

Thanks.

By: rancidchickn

rancidchickn — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:29:58 -0800

intrade.com is another prediction market you might be interested in.

By: ejaned8

ejaned8 — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:37:36 -0800

fivethirtyeight is a website that compiles polls (resources on the left hand side has more links) that may be helpful in researching good indicators.

By: Doofus Magoo

Doofus Magoo — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:38:40 -0800

Christopher Wlezien (formerly of the U of Houston, Go Cougars!) has done some pretty strong work in election forecasting; you may want to look up some of his work surrounding the 2000 and 2004 elections.

By: mr_roboto

mr_roboto — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:40:02 -0800

fivethirtyeight.com uses a pretty involved methodology to predict election outcome from polling data. They did well in predicting the Democratic primaries this year.

By: Xere

Xere — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:42:11 -0800

By: kdar

kdar — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:48:47 -0800

Electoral-vote.com is pretty neat for reading and understanding this sort of thing.

By: ROU_Xenophobe

ROU_Xenophobe — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:52:13 -0800

Option one: look at some of the various prediction pages (538, pollster, electoral-vote, Iowa markets, etc) and make a guess,

Option two has several steps:

Step 1: Become deeply familiar with the literatures on American voting behavior, turnout, and campaigning. You can probably get away with only reading everything written after 1980; you'll get a good sense of the stuff before from that.

Also Step 1: At the same time, anytime you find a book or article using a statistical method you're not familiar with, or using a correction for a problem you're not familiar with, stop and read all of the citations they point to for that method or correction. Then look up current information on that method or correction, especially for citations in older books (ie Mo Fiorina's treatment of logit/probit in Retrospective Voting in American National Elections, model some appropriate data using that technique, and interpret the results.

Step 2: Become deeply familiar with the literature on forecasting presidential elections, and with the statistical techniques underlying their models.

Step 3: Congratulations! You are now an expert in this. Also, it's ten years later. Anyway, build a model that seems good to you.

Step 4: Test your model with retrodictions: try to predict known outcomes with only data that would have been available at the time.

Step 5: Iterate between steps 3 and 4 until the model works to your satisfaction.

By: -harlequin-

-harlequin- — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:52:48 -0800

Depending on how much credence you give admissions of vote-tampering software and the like, you might want to take into account which states have outlawed black-box electronic voting systems since 2004, and which are still using them.

By: Autarky

Autarky — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:58:52 -0800

Just look at where people put their money. Polls are flawed more often than not.

By: futility closet

futility closet — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:59:58 -0800

Missouri tends to be a bellwether.

By: Jaltcoh

Jaltcoh — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 17:00:23 -0800

Fivethirtyeight (suggested & linked above) is the answer.

Predictions for all 50 states and the whole election (with a percentage likelihood for each) + polling data from lots of sources for all 50 states + daily blog posts with analysis of polling and prediction methodology. Their methodology seems very sophisticated -- taking a variety of trends and factors into account.

I really doubt you're going to find anything better than that.

By: Pants!

Pants! — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 17:13:57 -0800

The reason people do polling is because when it's done correctly, it's reasonably accurate. The easiest way to get a feel for it is to read polls.

By: gjc

gjc — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 18:11:07 -0800

Polling is reasonably accurate, yes, but with the following caveats:

1- It only measures opinions at that exact moment. By the time they are released, news cycles may have changed someone's opinion.
2- It depends heavily on the questions being asked, their order and their tone.
3- There is a difference between what people say to the questioner and what they actually do in the voting booth.
4- Was the poll actually done with statistical accuracy, or is there any self-selection or bias in the sample?
5- And it depends on the biases and "conclusions" of the people compiling the data, and the subsequent "journalism" on the data. They can ask any number of questions worded in any variety of biased ways- "would you vote for a former POW" gives you 80%. "would you vote for a cancer victim" might give you 40%. Either way, the next night the poll goes on FOX as "80% will vote for McCain!!" and Dan Rather goes on and says "60% won't vote for McCain!!"

It's impossible to predict- you could poll everyone in the country on Nov. 3, and then it rains on Nov. 4. The election becomes completely different from the poll.

By: procrastination

procrastination — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 18:33:10 -0800

A couple of other sites that track this that you might want to look at:

Princeton Election Consortium
Election Projection(leans right)

By: lukemeister

lukemeister — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 18:49:18 -0800

Fivethirtyeight is run by Nate Silver, who supports Obama. I don't know of any bias in his simulations, but it would be nice if a McCain supporter were independently doing the same type of analysis.

By: ALongDecember

ALongDecember — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 21:05:25 -0800

RealClearPolitics compiles polls and has no definite bias AFAIK. P.S. Polls are flawed yada yada yada.

By: lukemeister

lukemeister — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 21:35:57 -0800

Electoral scoreboard developed by two astrophysicists

By: Mike1024

Mike1024 — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 06:03:29 -0800

A little off-the-wall, but I've read several times about a grade-school (first graders, I believe) "election" that has accurately predicted the outcome of the presidential race. The last I read of it, they had only been wrong once out of a bunch of elections.

If you just make a random guess you've got a 50% chance of being right, in a close election (like the ones the US has).

So the chance of correctly predicting the presidential election five times in a row if you were guessing randomly is 1/(0.5^5) or one in 32.

If you phoned up 100 grade schools which ran pretend elections, and got the results for the last five elections, there's a 1-((1-(1/32))^100)=96% chance at least one school would report correctly predicting the last five elections. If you phoned around 200 schools that rises to 99.8%

My point being, the kids were probably right by chance as much as by real predictive ability.

By: clerestory

clerestory — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 06:11:03 -0800

... a grade-school (first graders, I believe) "election" that has accurately predicted the outcome of the presidential race.

You may be thinking of Scholastic Magazine's poll (scroll down), which has successfully predicted all the presidential elections since 1940 except for Dewey/Truman (1948) and Nixon/Kennedy (1960).

By: kirkaracha

kirkaracha — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 09:08:32 -0800

fivethirtyeight's goal is to predict the results on Election Day. The other sites show the Electoral Vote based on current polls, so they're not predictions.

By: lunchbox

lunchbox — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 09:10:32 -0800

In theory, prediction markets (like Intrade) are the most accurate source of information. If you find a more reliable source of information that says the market is undervaluing a particular candidate, you could make lots of money by buying shares for that candidate. The efficient markets hypothesis says you can't do this.

In the real world, there are some caveats to this, but I generally view prediction markets to be much more credible than any polling website (even one with analysis and statistical inference).