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Question: Learn more piano without staves, lines and dots.

emptyinside — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 11:56:43 -0800

Resources for improving piano chops without sheet music?

Ok, MeFi, this is the most difficult question I've posed, but I have faith in your ability to provide me with an answer.

I've been playing piano for about a decade, solidly, cramming in an hour of improvisational jams wherever I can. I learned how to sight-read when I was 6, but subsequently forgot how to do that. I have little desire to re-learn.

I have a solid understanding of scales, modes, intervals and chords. I'm interested in learning about things like counterpoint, harmony, bass accompaniment, blues, jazz, rock n' roll from a 'broad overview' context instead of a 'play these songs and figure it out' method.

Yet, I feel as though I've hit a ivory ceiling and progress only in steps that wear off between practices. It's been a while since I've had a breakthrough experience in understanding, so I'm looking for inexpensive resources, preferably written in dead-tree format, but interactive electronic ones will do as well. Thanks!

By: vacapinta

vacapinta — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 12:26:12 -0800

I play improvisational jazz piano. I can't read to save my life.
Well...I know how to read but just enough to read the piece once, memorize it and throw away the sheet music after that.

In any case, have you read Mark Levine's Jazz Piano book? Its a great book, sort of the improvisationists Bible for theory.

By: rhizome

rhizome — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 12:31:03 -0800

To be sure, you're interested in composition techniques and it's hard to separate composition from the staff. A friend just recently recommended a counterpoint book to me, and it probably wouldn't be too hard to follow the Amazon recommendation trail to other concepts you're interested in.

Another thing is that these things may not be amenable to "jam" contexts right away, and you will likely benefit from sitting down and bashing out the concepts on your own in a more structured fashion.

By: lothar

lothar — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 12:56:56 -0800

Sounds like you're looking for music theory.

Jamming reinforces being comfortable with what you already know. Learning to hear and use the parts you *don't* already know is how to progress in music.

How's your voice leading? Tritone subs? How many distinctly different changes do you know for a standard 12 bar form? When is the cryptophrygian scale appropriate? A lot of getting better on your instrument comes from a little bit of knowledge and a lot of practice in applying it.

/Mark Levine's book is excellent.

By: emptyinside

emptyinside — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:51:59 -0800

Thanks for the Book.

I suppose what I'm looking for is more 'knowledge' as lothar says it.

By: lothar

lothar — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 11:34:22 -0800

Here's a little bit of knowledge to keep you busy for the next decade or two:
1)Since the important voices in a chord are the 3 and 7,
2)and I-IV or I-V give half step transitions of the 3 and 7 by 3to7 and 7to3,
3)you can descend by half steps in a II-V-I pattern,
4)thus deriving tritone substitutions.

Yeehah! I loves me some theory. And little things like this will give you tons of material to get under your fingers.

By: Ogre Lawless

Ogre Lawless — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 13:28:32 -0800

I've reflected on this question in the days since it launched, my reflections as I struggle to learn the same instrument under similar circumstances (I didn't really learn to read music until maybe eight, but forgot is forgot):

I decided that as much as I tended to dislike rote work I was going to need to get it and unfortunately much of that is written using musial notation. I had "some" notation: treble clef for another instrument and could puzzle out pieces but I know it is within my capacity to take notation and convert it fairly effortlessly into musical output so have bit the bullet and enrolled in a group class down at the local CC where I am learning my ass off on even some of the fundamentals I would have thought myself above having refreshed.

I find that the best learning from me comes from happy accidents, revisitation of pieces learned earlier in my development with a new perspective, accompanying pieces I like but am unfamiliar with, piecing out other's chord progressions, etc.

To which end, boredom is not a bad thing: I had an English professor who had several of us prove that we could either write daily or else write daily about not writing. After a while one's mind will put out the other alternative quite quickly.

Arguably, if you want to learn how to better play with others, listen to others play improvisationally. Find an act to have your mind blown by.

Drills are a burden but work there does pay off as well: I find new ways to move my hands after they have been limbering up, etc. Also, it seems like times they'll have ideas of their own.

So far, the results have been amazingly good and I find my "old grind" mostly boring.

Scala might give you some interesting ideas.

Don't hate on the ability to read music. Written music is like the written word: portable, efficient and clearly understandable. I like slogging through chord puzzlement as much as the next hack, but cutting that step out is pretty OK.

Kinda TL/Don't-R and rambling -- hopefully something up there you can take away. Good luck!