Comments on: Obama assassination : 1 in 55?

Question: Obama assassination : 1 in 55?

zaebiz — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 14:00:32 -0800

Does the fact that the betting markets still give Hillary Clinton a 1 in 55 chance of being President in 2008, mean that that is a reasonable estimate of the chance that Obama is assassinated before the election? What else could justify those odds now?

By: TheSecretDecoderRing

TheSecretDecoderRing — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 14:06:59 -0800

That's kind of morbid speculation, but the only thing I can think of is a mass campaign by Hillary supporters to vote for her by write-in. But factoring that and any other cause would still seem to be greater than 1 in 55.

By: dinger

dinger — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 14:07:46 -0800

Third party candidacy. I can see it now: Clinton/Lieberman. No, wait...Clinton/Clinton.

By: three blind mice

three blind mice — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 14:36:01 -0800

As the Clinton campaign awkwardly pointed out during the primary, Bobby Kennedy was the only person assassinated whilst campaigning.

44 Presidents say 100 candidates to make the math easy. 1 out 100 is the historical trend.

So it looks like the oddsmakers are (thankfully) betting on something else.

By: A189Nut

A189Nut — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 14:36:33 -0800

Scandal causes candidate to withdraw?

By: milkrate

milkrate — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 14:41:49 -0800

Remember that the cost to trade is not zero. There is both fees and time/opportunity cost of capital.

If the price is 1.8, to bet that she will not be president you need to commit $9.82 for the $10 contract. But you pay $0.05 if you are a price-taker and are charged another $0.10 if you are correct. You could win between 3 and 8 cents on a $9.82 commitment.

The math
Price taker:
$9.86 = $9.90 * e^(-rT) * P(x)
Price maker:
$9.82 = $9.90 * e^(-rT) * P(x)

This contract would expire in about 4 or 5 months (inauguration day). I'll be charitable, and call it 3 months. 90d LIBOR annualized is around 3%. The discount factor e^(-rT) is e^(-.03*.25) = 0.9925.

0.9925*$9.90 = $9.826
The price taker is irrational, since they could put their money to work in a savings account and do better. The price maker's risk-neutral probability is more like:
$9.82/$9.826 = 99.94% probability that she will not be president.

By: Doofus Magoo

Doofus Magoo — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 14:44:20 -0800

What else could justify those odds now?

The only thing "justifying" those odds is some subset of people still willing to bet on Clinton being elected. Oddsmakers don't make up odds based on their perception of the likelihood of an event -- it's pretty much all supply and demand based on the number of people betting each side of a proposition. The odds are set in order to (roughly) equalize the dollars bet either way.

By: Class Goat

Class Goat — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 15:15:48 -0800

I think that some people were playing a longshot on an upset in the vote at the convention last week. Basically the possibility that superdelegates would switch from Obama to Clinton.

By: TheSecretDecoderRing

TheSecretDecoderRing — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 15:22:36 -0800

44 Presidents say 100 candidates to make the math easy. 1 out 100 is the historical trend.

I'm not sure it works that way, esp something as complicated and unpredictable as that.

Heck, the historical trend of vice presidents committing an embarrassing spelling error during a visit to an elementary school is around 1 in 50, but I don't think one could say that Cheney's chance of doing the same during his tenure were about 2%.

(Although if Palin gets elected, her odds of accidentally shooting a guy in the face would be a little better than Biden's...)

By: 0xFCAF

0xFCAF — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 16:07:34 -0800

milkrate got it right. Intrade prices on the periphery are not directly translatable to percentages. You'll see a similar situation on contracts very near 100.

By: milkrate

milkrate — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 16:46:19 -0800

I noticed I have the price taker price wrong (it should be $9.87 in the example, since the fee is 5 cents), but it doesn't change the math or the conclusion that it is not profitable to continue betting against it. Fees are listed here.

By: whatisish

whatisish — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 16:52:37 -0800

Those people who are "betting" on Hillary aren't really betting on her to win the presidency. Rather, they are betting on her odds to go up (by some Obama bad news) - and then selling.

By: TravellingDen

TravellingDen — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 21:35:26 -0800

A tangential question - how is what intrade does not classified as straight up online gambling?

By: TravellingDen

TravellingDen — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 21:38:48 -0800

whatisish: That's just a dressed-up version of what happens at a regular bookie - it's not a stretch to make placing a series of bets based on what is currently being offered as buying and selling options on a future.

By: fiercecupcake

fiercecupcake — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 09:16:00 -0800

Slightly off-topic question, possibly connected to TravellingDen's: why does my work block the linked site?